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Apr 22, 08 at 12:44pm
Time Travel

The \"Magical Powers\" thread spiraled off into a discussion of time travel.
So I thought I'd make a thread for specifically that.
Thast thing said:

quote Ville_Valo
Well we actually do know how. Go really fast. The theory is that the closer to the speed of light you get (3x10^8 m/s), the heavier you get and the slower time runs for you. And if you hit the speed of light you become infinitely heavy, and time stops. Hence, it's impossible.
All we need to do is develop ways of getting faster, which we've been doing for thousands of years.
Yes, it's like your going so fast, making you so heavy, time can't carry you. Therefor, you get left behind.
Although, this would mean you can't go back in time, your just lost a drift in time.
Uncapable of going forward, or back.




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re: Time Travel

As Ville Valo put it, I think it is possible, just not in this lifetime. I personally think it is a great discussion.



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If you went back in time (which I do think is possible), you would have to materialize in space and bring some sort of space craft with you. If you don't materialize in space, you would materialize in the matter that was already there. That could not be healthy!



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re: Time Travel

How do you think (If we ever do?) and how do you think we would avoid touching anything.
Will it be an accident?
A secret government operation?

For all we know, if we ever do discover time travel, it could be the end of the planet earth as we know it.
People will travel too far back, to the creation, and mess something up.
This could stop the universe being created. Us being created.
I have lots to say, but I'll keep my mouth shut and let the rest of you have a say.



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Apr 22, 08 at 1:03pm
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yeah thats why i dont think it will happen to that extent,
if you went back in time and stopped your parents relationship somehow ( use your imagination ) then you would never have been born, so you would never have had the chance to stop the relationship, so the relationship wouldnt have stopped.... right?

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Apr 22, 08 at 1:16pm
re: Time Travel

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yeah thats why i dont think it will happen to that extent,
if you went back in time and stopped your parents relationship somehow ( use your imagination ) then you would never have been born, so you would never have had the chance to stop the relationship, so the relationship wouldnt have stopped.... right?
I can't remember what it was called, a time loop?
But you'd turn to dust, so would a lot of other people. One thing changes a whole lot. Don't believe in the movies where everything is fine apart from your not born and your parents are not together.
One thing changed it time, would probably change god knows how many times that.



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yeah thats something called chaos theory- very interesting check it out
one small insignificant thing will have a knock on effect and end up changing everything

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Apr 22, 08 at 1:22pm
re: Time Travel

quote hazzybwfc
yeah thats something called chaos theory- very interesting check it out
one small insignificant thing will have a knock on effect and end up changing everything
I may seem to be questioning what I said.
But where is the proof of this, though?



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Apr 22, 08 at 1:24pm
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the proof of what?? chaos theory? its an actual theory thing type it in google youl probly find quite a bit about it

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Apr 22, 08 at 1:46pm
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quote hazzybwfc
the proof of what?? chaos theory? its an actual theory thing type it in google youl probly find quite a bit about it
Yes.
Although it's a theory, I believe it.
But who came up with it, why?
They obviously knew they could never prove it until time travel.



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re: Time Travel

I think that the human race is superior enough for curing diseases, heck we may even find a cure for aids, we have gone to the moon, we have been to other planets, we have really industrialized during our short time here on Earth. Just think about it, the Earth is millions of year old nd we have only been here a fraction of a fraction here, and since that time we have really technologically advanced a lot, so think about it. What will happen in the next 6000+ years, a lot of stuff right? I think so, but I just can't say that we will have time travel, it seems so inevitable, I don't know how would we be able to go back to our childhoods while we watch as an adult? Or how will we be able to go forward and see our graves? I just don't think so.



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Apr 23, 08 at 4:53am
re: Time Travel

Woah, no one told me about this thread.

quote hazzybwfc
yeah thats something called chaos theory- very interesting check it out
one small insignificant thing will have a knock on effect and end up changing everything
Actually I think it's called the butterfly effect, isn't it? That a butterfly flapping it's wings on one side of the world could cause tornadoes on the other side.

Well, I think the future of time travel more depends on us learning to manipulate it, rather than just going to speeds that enable time to freeze.
But lets get one thing straight, time freezing is time travel. Or it can be considered to be so, in a basic sense. We're all moving through time, at 24 hours a day, so to make it stop is altering time, and going slower than usual. That's about as good as going backwards

I don't think I believe in that chaos theory/butterfly effect. If tiny changes caused massive effects, then massive effects would happen all the time...I mean we all do small things eh?
For examples, tornadoes don't depend on whether or not I drop my pen. Ask any good meteorologist. I think everything big that you're thinking of has other causes, it's more just an idea.



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re: Time Travel

We can travel faster than the speed of sound. Does this mean we can hear the dinosaur's grunts? No.



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re: Time Travel

Perhaps if you change anything it would just spiral into an alternate reality and not affect your own. Otherwise we would have seen somebody from the future by now.



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Apr 23, 08 at 1:49pm
re: Time Travel

quote Ville_Valo
Woah, no one told me about this thread.
quote hazzybwfc
yeah thats something called chaos theory- very interesting check it out
one small insignificant thing will have a knock on effect and end up changing everything
Actually I think it's called the butterfly effect, isn't it? That a butterfly flapping it's wings on one side of the world could cause tornadoes on the other side.

Well, I think the future of time travel more depends on us learning to manipulate it, rather than just going to speeds that enable time to freeze.
But lets get one thing straight, time freezing is time travel. Or it can be considered to be so, in a basic sense. We're all moving through time, at 24 hours a day, so to make it stop is altering time, and going slower than usual. That's about as good as going backwards

I don't think I believe in that chaos theory/butterfly effect. If tiny changes caused massive effects, then massive effects would happen all the time...I mean we all do small things eh?
For examples, tornadoes don't depend on whether or not I drop my pen. Ask any good meteorologist. I think everything big that you're thinking of has other causes, it's more just an idea.
yeah butterfly effect, the true thing is chaos theory, its on the dvd if youve seen The Butterfly Effect, which is an awesome film. they do explain it very well though, and youre right the way you explain it does make it sound silly, but they explain it in a different way and it makes so much sense.

for example they have a pendulum with a hinge in it, about half way, and they drop it one way. they record how it moved, and then they drop it about a fraction differently, and eventually at one point the pendulum is moving totally differently, all because of that first fraction of change.

so the butterfly causing the tornado isnt really believable, but something linked to a butterfly, linked to something else to something else etc could cause something big, so the 'small' events have to be linked, and thats why everyones small actions dont have great consequences

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