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Krunal moderator FAQ/VFAQ Authors and Feedback GameGrep Bugs GameGrep Feedback & Suggestions NeoWiki Best Practices and Help NeoWiki Bug Archives NeoWiki Bugs NeoWiki Discussion, Suggestions and Feedback NeoWiki Requests and Planning RPG/Adventure [PS2] wiki staff dynastywarriors finalfantasy kingdomhearts metalgear neowiki stargate total posts: 22803 neopoints: 52956 GameGrep pts: 15430 since: Feb 2002	Oct 12, 08 at 3:15am Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix? [ via GameGrep \| Read & Rate ] We've almost all heard about *Square-Enix, but not many people have heard of Level-5, the company that are currently in the process of developing White Knight Story/Chronicles. The question that diggingtheweb.com* have asked is... can Level-5 dethrone Square-Enix? In terms of number of games, that's an obvious no with only 150 employees as at last year, however if you go by quality of games... well it was Level 5 who previously developed Dragon Quest VIII and that in itself says something about their quality. So can Level-5 be the next Square-Enix (or Square-Soft as I should really say... since the quality of games have known to have gone down since Enix and Square Soft merged)... read the full article and make your own minds up. [ via GameGrep \| Read & Rate ] ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ------------------- FFXII\|Neoportal Home\|Final Fantasy Portal\|Stargate Portal\|Metal Gear Portal\|FFXIII quote Redemption I don't even know what a jager bomb is, I hope it means we all sit there coding for 12hrs straight
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gonzab true seeker (2K Remix) since: Aug 2004	Oct 12, 08 at 4:40am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	So far Level 5's ratio of games/quality far surpasses Square Enix's. They only make good, excellent and outstanding games, whereas Square does that and much more: bad milking and other poor things. If this keeps up it's only a matter of time before Level 5 starts rivaling Square Enix as a huge company, because they already do that in terms of quality. -------------------
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pyramidreaper The Game true seeker (2K Remix) since: Jul 2004	Oct 12, 08 at 7:16am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	I wonder if this article would be written if WKC would be multuplatform .. anyway, yes WKC does look amazing and yes Level5 did make very impressive titles, however no, I wouldn't say they're the company that is most close to being the best rpg developer from Japan. there is another very good company as well, Nautilus(former Sacnoth), who 've made Shadow Hearts. and aside from lame SH From The New World their two PS2 titles are better than anything SquareEnix 've released since 2000. but FFXIII and VersusXIII still look amazing. Square did release some crappy games since merging with Enix but for me personally they did redeem themselves with FFXII, and if those two new FF titles will live up to my expectations I will still think of them as the no 1 rpg developer.
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Krunal moderator FAQ/VFAQ Authors and Feedback GameGrep Bugs GameGrep Feedback & Suggestions NeoWiki Best Practices and Help NeoWiki Bug Archives NeoWiki Bugs NeoWiki Discussion, Suggestions and Feedback NeoWiki Requests and Planning RPG/Adventure [PS2] wiki staff dynastywarriors finalfantasy kingdomhearts metalgear neowiki stargate total posts: 22803 neopoints: 52956 GameGrep pts: 15430 since: Feb 2002	Oct 12, 08 at 8:49am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	I don't see why not? If WKC (which is published by Sony, and thus a guaranteed exclusive... much like GoW is guaranteed exclusive for Microsoft since they publish that), WKC was multi-platform, it wouldn't make the game crap... well okay, it may due to limitations of the XBOX360's disc (unless they went multi-disc)... ------------------- FFXII\|Neoportal Home\|Final Fantasy Portal\|Stargate Portal\|Metal Gear Portal\|FFXIII quote Redemption I don't even know what a jager bomb is, I hope it means we all sit there coding for 12hrs straight
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gonzab true seeker (2K Remix) since: Aug 2004	Oct 12, 08 at 9:18am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	quote pyramidreaper I wonder if this article would be written if WKC would be multuplatform .. anyway, yes WKC does look amazing and yes Level5 did make very impressive titles, however no, I wouldn't say they're the company that is most close to being the best rpg developer from Japan. there is another very good company as well, Nautilus(former Sacnoth), who 've made Shadow Hearts. and aside from lame SH From The New World their two PS2 titles are better than anything SquareEnix 've released since 2000. Lolwut. Shadow Hearts it's about all they've released in what regards JRPG. They're not even close to being a good, solid company. Of course the games were great but still. Level 5 and Atlus are so much better in every aspect. Or even Namco or Nippon Ichi. But imo Atlus and Level 5 are really the ones who right now might shake Square Enix. EDIT: And I forgot to mention Tri-ace. This message was edited by gonzab on Oct 12 2008. -------------------
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pyramidreaper The Game true seeker (2K Remix) since: Jul 2004	Oct 12, 08 at 10:13am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	quote Krunal I don't see why not? If WKC (which is published by Sony, and thus a guaranteed exclusive... much like GoW is guaranteed exclusive for Microsoft since they publish that), WKC was multi-platform, it wouldn't make the game crap... well okay, it may due to limitations of the XBOX360's disc (unless they went multi-disc)... I meant this article seems biased towards Sony.. the first Shadow Hearts is one of the greatest rpgs ever made, it is almost comparable to Xenogears and Suikoden 2. that game and SH2 makes them one of the best rpg devs ever. they 've also developed Koudelka on PS1, a niche rpg but still. Atlus? Namco? I understand that you have your own opinion , but please name the games that make them even comparable. Persona? Digital Devil Saga? err Nippon Ichi? but, there's something wrong with your comparison, gonzab. tactics rpgs is a different story. and yeah, but Tri-Ace is practically owned by Enix.
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Red 9 The Sky Is My True Home... Still Seekin' total posts: 3878 since: Jun 2005	Oct 12, 08 at 11:29am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	quote pyramidreaper quote Krunal I don't see why not? If WKC (which is published by Sony, and thus a guaranteed exclusive... much like GoW is guaranteed exclusive for Microsoft since they publish that), WKC was multi-platform, it wouldn't make the game crap... well okay, it may due to limitations of the XBOX360's disc (unless they went multi-disc)... I meant this article seems biased towards Sony... I've seen plenty of 360 biaed articles, but oddly enough, no one mentions bias in the slightest... Anyway, if L5's White Knight turns out a hit, which it probably will, they could have a new franchise right there. In terms of quality, L5 has definitely set a new bar of excellency with White Knight. So, I can see it happening. ------------------- ! quote Ace Combat 4 Shattered Skies Amidst the blue skies, a link from the past to the future. The sheltering wings of the Protector... The flames of hatred scorch the skies, igniting Gaia's funeral pyre. The Scapegoat of Neoseeker
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pyramidreaper The Game true seeker (2K Remix) since: Jul 2004	Oct 12, 08 at 11:36am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	quote Red 9 I've seen plenty of 360 biaed articles, but oddly enough, no one mentions bias in the slightest... funny you're saying this here and quoting me . I think I haven't said a single good word about M$ on this site.
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Krunal moderator FAQ/VFAQ Authors and Feedback GameGrep Bugs GameGrep Feedback & Suggestions NeoWiki Best Practices and Help NeoWiki Bug Archives NeoWiki Bugs NeoWiki Discussion, Suggestions and Feedback NeoWiki Requests and Planning RPG/Adventure [PS2] wiki staff dynastywarriors finalfantasy kingdomhearts metalgear neowiki stargate total posts: 22803 neopoints: 52956 GameGrep pts: 15430 since: Feb 2002	Oct 12, 08 at 12:12pm re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	quote gonzab And I forgot to mention Tri-ace. As I was aptly reminded.... *Infinite Undiscovery... 6.5/10 and it was made by Tri-Ace, Published by Squeenix.* quote pyramidreaper funny you're saying this here and quoting me . I think I haven't said a single good word about M$ on this site. One thing is true - you'll find bias where ever you look. I don't think anyone can ever remain truely unbiased, because everyone has their own opinion about things. That said, I don't see much bias for sony in that article, from what I read, with the whole Level 5 working with Sony (as I mentioned, Sony are publishing the game) could very well buy them and have them produce exclusives.. there's nothing biased about that statement. Im sure Microsoft would do the same if they could. ------------------- FFXII\|Neoportal Home\|Final Fantasy Portal\|Stargate Portal\|Metal Gear Portal\|FFXIII quote Redemption I don't even know what a jager bomb is, I hope it means we all sit there coding for 12hrs straight
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Red 9 The Sky Is My True Home... Still Seekin' total posts: 3878 since: Jun 2005	Oct 12, 08 at 3:32pm re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	quote pyramidreaper quote Red 9 I've seen plenty of 360 biaed articles, but oddly enough, no one mentions bias in the slightest... funny you're saying this here and quoting me . I think I haven't said a single good word about M$ on this site. I wasn't referring to you, mate. I was speaking in general. Sorry if you though I meant you. ------------------- ! quote Ace Combat 4 Shattered Skies Amidst the blue skies, a link from the past to the future. The sheltering wings of the Protector... The flames of hatred scorch the skies, igniting Gaia's funeral pyre. The Scapegoat of Neoseeker
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gonzab true seeker (2K Remix) since: Aug 2004	Oct 13, 08 at 4:01am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	quote pyramidreaper quote Krunal I don't see why not? If WKC (which is published by Sony, and thus a guaranteed exclusive... much like GoW is guaranteed exclusive for Microsoft since they publish that), WKC was multi-platform, it wouldn't make the game crap... well okay, it may due to limitations of the XBOX360's disc (unless they went multi-disc)... I meant this article seems biased towards Sony.. the first Shadow Hearts is one of the greatest rpgs ever made, it is almost comparable to Xenogears and Suikoden 2. that game and SH2 makes them one of the best rpg devs ever. they 've also developed Koudelka on PS1, a niche rpg but still. Atlus? Namco? I understand that you have your own opinion , but please name the games that make them even comparable. Persona? Digital Devil Saga? err Nippon Ichi? but, there's something wrong with your comparison, gonzab. tactics rpgs is a different story. and yeah, but Tri-Ace is practically owned by Enix. You tell me that you understand that I have my own opinion but you say the first Shadow Hearts is one of the greatest RPG's ever made? Oh and you seem to be convinced that Suikoden 2 is one of the greatest also. No, not at all. Man if you say Atlus is not even comparable to that company whatever its name is you seriously need to look around more. Do you realise how gigantic the Shin Megami and Tales of (from Namco) series are? I see you clearly don't. Sure you may have liked Shadow Hearts and it really is a great game. But that single game (or series if you will) doesn't put that company on par with Atlus, SE or Level 5, not even in dreams. Also, didn't SE produce tactical RPGs? Didn't Level 5? I don't see why I wouldn't mention Nippon Ichi. -------------------
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pyramidreaper The Game true seeker (2K Remix) since: Jul 2004	Oct 13, 08 at 6:21am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	~~gonzab, btw I'm sorry about my grammar. it isn't my first tongue.~~ quote gonzab You tell me that you understand that I have my own opinion but you say the first Shadow Hearts is one of the greatest RPG's ever made? Oh and you seem to be convinced that Suikoden 2 is one of the greatest also. oh? and aren't they? quote No, not at all. Man if you say Atlus is not even comparable to that company whatever its name is you seriously need to look around more. Do you realise how gigantic the Shin Megami and Tales of (from Namco) series are? I see you clearly don't. Sure you may have liked Shadow Hearts and it really is a great game. But that single game (or series if you will) doesn't put that company on par with Atlus, SE or Level 5, not even in dreams. no, I've played Persona since the first one on PS1, and Nocturne is one of my favourite games. I heavily dislike Tales games though. look, I wasn't talking about the size of those companies, or the number of titles.. I was talking about their great games. Nautilus are the developers of several titles, two of them are among the best rpgs ever(Shadow Hearts 1 & 2), and the first SH is close to the very best titles. yes, Namco might be the company behind a huge series but no game from the Tales series is even comparable to titles like Xenogears, Suikoden2, Shadow Hearts, FF7, FF8 or Star Ocean2. I wasn't talking about the size of companies, or the size of series. for me at least, if a small studio has made two-three titles that are among one of the best ever, and if another huge company has made 10 mediocre or just good titles, the small studio will be number one developer. and I will look forward to their next title the most. for me, the Shadow Hearts games have 'dethroned' SquareEnix titles a long time ago. you see what I mean? quote Also, didn't SE produce tactical RPGs? Didn't Level 5? I don't see why I wouldn't mention Nippon Ichi. yeah, but what I meant is Nippon Ichi makes only niche rpgs, mostly tactical ones. a tactical rpg shouldn't be compared to 'normal' ones. so Nippon Ichi is er, irrelevant.
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gonzab true seeker (2K Remix) since: Aug 2004	Oct 14, 08 at 6:11am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	I'm glad you weren't talking about the size of the companies because I also wasn't. =) I don't see Shadow Hearts being as mythical as you put it but well, you got your opinion. I can also say that most people also don't see it being like that. Dark Chronicle/Dark Cloud series are far more mythical and they're from Level 5. I understand the Tales of series didn't really delivered something epic, but I know though that it's one of the most famous RPG franchises, imo much more than Shadow Hearts. Level 5 also made Dragon Quest VIII and Rogue Galaxy. Together with Dark Cloud and Dark Chronicle also made by Level 5 they're part of the Elite of the Elite of PS2 RPGs. Imho that easily puts aside Nautilus work, though I'll say again know that Shadow Hearts is a great game. But only one game from a not very solid company can't compare to Level 5, let alone Atlus or Square Enix. I hope I made my point clear. =) -------------------
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pyramidreaper The Game true seeker (2K Remix) since: Jul 2004	Oct 14, 08 at 9:20am re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	okay, fine . I, however, absolutely disagree about Dark Cloud, as well as them (Level5) being 1337 of the 1337s . and Atlus haven't even got themseleves a Playstation3 dev kit yet .. also I wouldn't say Atlus' games sell as well as Namco's "Tales" or even Atelir Iris .. I don't mean their homeland of course.
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ShadowGuard To Err is human; to forgive, infrequent s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1663 since: Apr 2006	Oct 15, 08 at 5:13pm re: Can Level-5 Dethrone Square Enix?
	Actually the Persona series sells pretty well. Most big RPG players own or have at least played SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI, SMT, or Persona. -------------------
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