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mkb2009 IS BOUT THA STAX s-e-e-k-e-r since: Feb 2007	Nov 04, 09 at 8:08am re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	I have a feeling this is just going to turn into another US vs. UK (or US vs. rest of world) argument. I think circumcision is really just a cultural thing, guys with circumcised penises think that they're normal and same for guys with uncircumcised. There's no major difference--that reduced risk of AIDS thing may matter in Africa but in most other countries, where people actually have access to condoms, I doubt it's that much of a benefit. -------------------
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Kafani Mo Milly NeoXtreme total posts: 8172 since: Aug 2003	Nov 04, 09 at 3:38pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	quote Cashis Kafani you talk so much bullshit. When I get home from school tonight I'll edit this post cos I need to go in a minute but what you are writing is utter bollocks. Yea medical journals and word for word advice from doctors is "utter bollocks". Why the fvck would I make any of this up? ------------------- Express yourself
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DeNiro Outlaw Still Seekin' total posts: 3961 since: May 2008	Nov 04, 09 at 3:42pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	I snapped my "banjo" string (not sure if thats the correct name?) on my penis last night, in bloody agony, what happens to it now, does it grow back or what?! Help! ------------------- Credit: Memento Mori
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Master Tenku moderator Call of Duty: World at War [PS3] total posts: 8916 since: Feb 2005	Nov 04, 09 at 4:20pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	quote Kafani its the fact that I ACTUALLY HAD TO THINK ABOUT KEEPING IT CLEAN....JUST TO KEEP IT CLEAN! Whats easier than just going in the shower, scrubbin bubbles, and being clean? The physical step of pulling back the foreskin is not hard, no one can argue that, but you have absolutely no idea the mental toll it takes on some people. If you struggle to remember to wash under your foreskin when then entire point of being in the shower is to clean your ENTIRE BODY then there is something wrong with your brain, and you should think of having surgery in that area instead. quote Kafani Worrying about playing too much sports and sweating on summer nights, theres so many situations where YOU HAVE TO SHOWER twice a day just to avoid infections. I sweat in between my ass cheeks sometimes, maybe I should have surgery to excavate the surrounding fatty tissue so I don't have to remember to wash down there when I shower? And maybe I should force my child to go through the same thing because of MY preferences. The issue isn't whether you have a foreskin or not, but an overall hygiene issue. Washing daily all over my body is something I was taught to do as a child, I've had 18 years worth of practice of doing it so I should be pretty good at remembering to do it by now. quote Kafani I had 3 sexual partners when I was uncircumcised, one didn't mind because she was a virgin and didn't know better, and the other two "tolerated" it. Meaning they openly stated that they liked circumcised penises better. I'm assuming that by the word 'teen' in your other post you mean that this was occuring between 14-18? In which case girls don't know what they want, because they are essentially fickle little school children. Circumsizion also has a risk with children, as does any surgery. Is it right to subject a baby to the risk of a cosmetic surgery (which is practically what it is), a week or 2 of incredible pain and possible trauma just so that they don't have to remember to wash their noodle a couple times a day? quote DeNiro I snapped my "banjo" string (not sure if thats the correct name?) on my penis last night, in bloody agony, what happens to it now, does it grow back or what?! Help! It doesn't re-attach, but it heals up and the pain goes away. ------------------- formally known as Matt_The_Master
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Kafani Mo Milly NeoXtreme total posts: 8172 since: Aug 2003	Nov 04, 09 at 4:31pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	No need to be a pompous asshole. I'm not pushing this procedure on anyone, just telling it how it is...for me. I'm not some dumbass that doesn't know how to shower. Believe me when I say that I've been where you are, and if anything, I have an unbiased view while you have an extremely biased view. You would never know how my brain operates because you are still uncut. You will always think you are perfectly normal (and you are), but you have no idea if circ is better, and you never will. Do you know how analogies work? You can't compare genital circumcision to removing tissue from your ass. WTF? Over 60% of American males are circed, it's a standard procedure, so why is it so ridiculous that someone wants to have it done? I don't know why you think everyone who doesn't think like you is an idiot, but you should work on it. ------------------- Express yourself
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Master Tenku moderator Call of Duty: World at War [PS3] total posts: 8916 since: Feb 2005	Nov 04, 09 at 9:28pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	quote Kafani Do you know how analogies work? You can't compare genital circumcision to removing tissue from your ass. WTF? Over 60% of American males are circed, it's a standard procedure, so why is it so ridiculous that someone wants to have it done? I don't know why you think everyone who doesn't think like you is an idiot, but you should work on it. My example of fatty tissue removal wasn't talking about the actual procedure. I was saying that being too lazy to pull your foreskin back and clean in the shower is like being to lazy to pull your ass cheeks apart and clean in between there, why do they offer surgery for one but not for the other. Basing your views on the subject on how many people have it done and how normal you Americans think it is isn't a logical argument, I'm not arguing the point that very few people in England have it done and its the norm to be uncircumcised here as a reason why it shouldn't be done. I put the last bit in italics as I found the sentence was dripping with irony, you literally just told every single person on the last page who disagreed with you that they where wrong and you was right - even Gex who is medically trained. And just because I haven't had the procedure done doesn't mean that I don't have a point of view on it. I can be for/against abortion without having a child growing inside me in the exact same way I can be against the mutilation of a childs genitals without being mutilated myself. ------------------- formally known as Matt_The_Master
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Cashis I'm a Warmonger, I'm War's Younger Neo or Bust since: Feb 2007	Nov 04, 09 at 10:30pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	quote Now to get back on topic, I was born uncircumcised, and got circumcised as an teen. No bias here, I've actually had the experience of both sides of the argument. How do you know an uncircumcised penis is easy to clean? Are you there in the shower everyday pulling back someone's foreskin? Its not whether its easy or hard to clean, its the fact that I ACTUALLY HAD TO THINK ABOUT KEEPING IT CLEAN....JUST TO KEEP IT CLEAN! Whats easier than just going in the shower, scrubbin bubbles, and being clean? The physical step of pulling back the foreskin is not hard, no one can argue that (except for people with phimosis), but you have absolutely no idea the mental toll it takes on some people. This must be a joke. Yes, the MENTAL TOLL of pulling a piece of skin back and letting the water/soap soak into your penis for a few seconds is just destroying. I often sink to my knees whilst in the shower at the sheer effort and mental toll of pulling my forskin back. I would much rather not lose extra sexual pleasure and be in pain for 2 weeks or so just so I don't have to put the slightest bit of effort into washing it. quote Worrying about playing too much sports and sweating on summer nights, theres so many situations where YOU HAVE TO SHOWER twice a day just to avoid infections. You don't have that experience, which is once again why I don't really understand why you are trying to add your two cents when you don't have any relevant experience to put on the table. Well if I get any infections at all then I'll be first to tell you pal, but I'm good so far, been playing football (soccer) for the past 5 years in summer as well and go to the gym regularly, and I'm infection free. I also don't know anyone.. or anyone of my mates that have had this problem, the only people have been circumcised have been done so because of it being too tight and this can come from birth (I should know cos I had an extremely tight forskin when I was young). quote Just because you love anteaters doesn't mean every girl does. I had 3 sexual partners when I was uncircumcised, one didn't mind because she was a virgin and didn't know better, and the other two "tolerated" it. Meaning they openly stated that they liked circumcised penises better. After I got circumcised, not a single complaint. Trust me when I say that if a male gets ANY complaints about his member, it will take a mental toll. When you're uncircumcised, it has a chance of happening. Fam the fact you're getting complaints about your dick is nowt to do with circumcison, its due to you being not great in bed, that's all there is to it. No girl is gonna fall head over heels for a circumsised penis just cos its suddenly uncircumsised lol. quote I could go on all day about this. Truth is, you don't have a guys mind. You might think you "understand" all the facts because you can read a textbook, but when it comes to this type of stuff, I'd trust a guy, someone with some relevant experience. However I wouldn't trust someone who tells me my penis isn't good enough for women due to it being uncircumsised and also telling me that it takes a huge 'mental toll' to wash it ------------------- From the green green grass of Saltergate To the shores of Sicily, We'll fight fight fight for the Spi-er-ites, Till we win the football league
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Kafani Mo Milly NeoXtreme total posts: 8172 since: Aug 2003	Nov 04, 09 at 11:28pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	OK I don't know why you need to be so hostile to get your points across, but I don't want to be your enemy over some fvckin circumcision debate on the internet, ya feel me? I am just speaking from personal experience. I was fine with an uncircumcised penis until I got an infection when I was 17. It tightened the foreskin, constricting the hole, and just made for a generally unpleasant time. It might happen to you, it might not, but I would much rather have peace of mind about the whole thing. Losing sexual pleasure is a myth, sure its a scientific fact that you lose nerve endings, but I've had many people tell me it still feels better. Honestly, I really DON'T CARE. No matter what, sex will still be pleasurable, and when I got it done, it was purely a solution for my infection. Needless to say, I have no regrets. And there is no pain, not even the hours right after the surgery. Its 2009, the medical field is pretty far ahead. I don't appreciate you taking jabs about my sex life though. I don't know where you got the idea that "im not good in bed", but its kinda gay how you even bring that up, not to mention the fact that you don't know me at all. If you understood the situation, you would realize how stupid your insult really was. I got complaints about the appearance only, BEFORE the sex, so yeah...moving on. And if you ever get an infection (and I pray you don't), you'll maybe see why I said mental toll. But if you don't have any experience besides your own, its pretty lame to sit there and scoff at other people just because they have different experiences than you. No hard feelings. And Tenku, I'm not going to listen to you based on the fact that you used the word "mutilation". Only people who are extremely anti-circ even use that word, because honestly, removing the foreskin is not mutilation in any way. I never said everyone was wrong and I was right, but I did disregard what Gex said about how easy it is to keep clean because there is no possible way SHE can have relevant experience to say something like that. And I never said you couldn't have a stand on this whole situation, but once again, your analogies just don't seem to work. Abortion is one thing that you can take a stand on without being a pregnant woman. Agreed. But I've been uncirced, and I've been circed. And if you haven't, you just won't know exactly what it feels like, so you have no right to say how it feels. Your analogy would have worked if you were talking about knowing what an abortion feels like, not whether its right or wrong/ ------------------- Express yourself
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Master Tenku moderator Call of Duty: World at War [PS3] total posts: 8916 since: Feb 2005	Nov 04, 09 at 11:51pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	quote Kafani And Tenku, I'm not going to listen to you based on the fact that you used the word "mutilation". Only people who are extremely anti-circ even use that word, because honestly, removing the foreskin is not mutilation in any way. I never said everyone was wrong and I was right, but I did disregard what Gex said about how easy it is to keep clean because there is no possible way SHE can have relevant experience to say something like that. Mutilation is what it is, look up the definition (its debatable that a foreskin is an important body part - but I believe that if you are born with a body part then you were meant to have it, else why would you be born with it?). I'm not anti-circumcision because it is a useful surgery and has many applications. Its not something I believe should be done on a mass scale to children for 'hygiene reasons' which are absolute bullshit no matter what way you look at it. quote Kafani And I never said you couldn't have a stand on this whole situation, but once again, your analogies just don't seem to work. Abortion is one thing that you can take a stand on without being a pregnant woman. Agreed. But I've been uncirced, and I've been circed. And if you haven't, you just won't know exactly what it feels like, so you have no right to say how it feels. Your analogy would have worked if you were talking about knowing what an abortion feels like, not whether its right or wrong/ Fair enough. ------------------- formally known as Matt_The_Master
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Cashis I'm a Warmonger, I'm War's Younger Neo or Bust since: Feb 2007	Nov 05, 09 at 4:12pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	Well Kafani maybe you should be clearer in the future. The reason I thought you'd have got complaints about your penis and the reason I assumed you weren't good in bed was because you didn't mention it not being about the looks before. Now it's clearer. However, seeing as you keep banging on about your experiences, I'll tell you mine. I've had 4 sexual partners and none have complained about my forskin. ------------------- From the green green grass of Saltergate To the shores of Sicily, We'll fight fight fight for the Spi-er-ites, Till we win the football league
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Kafani Mo Milly NeoXtreme total posts: 8172 since: Aug 2003	Nov 05, 09 at 6:58pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	Thats very fortunate of you. I didn't have the same experience because most of my sexual partners have been white girls, and for some reason, they really cared about it. Imagine how it made me feel, I had always thought my penis was common and ordinary (I was born in Asia). And Tenku, there are many things you are born with that you no longer need. Its part of evolution. Tonsils, appendix, etc. I'm not saying that the foreskin should be removed for every person on this planet, but I would definitely not consider it an important thing that we need to survive. ------------------- Express yourself
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Master Tenku moderator Call of Duty: World at War [PS3] total posts: 8916 since: Feb 2005	Nov 07, 09 at 9:42pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	For all we know the tonsils and the appendix could be important. True, nothing happens when we remove them - but its possible that they are needed for something that the people without them haven't experienced yet. ------------------- formally known as Matt_The_Master
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Braden Hooked on Neo total posts: 4239 neopoints: 537 since: Feb 2006	Nov 07, 09 at 9:50pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	quote Master Tenku For all we know the tonsils and the appendix could be important. True, nothing happens when we remove them - but its possible that they are needed for something that the people without them haven't experienced yet. Considering the amount of people without tonsils or the appendix, this is highly unlikely.
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Master Tenku moderator Call of Duty: World at War [PS3] total posts: 8916 since: Feb 2005	Nov 07, 09 at 10:05pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	What if the situation hasn't happened yet, like if humans suddenly had to live in water and the tonsils helped prevent large quantities of salt water from being swallowed easily. Some people are born with webbed toes, it might seem useless now but their could be a use for it if the situation arises. ------------------- formally known as Matt_The_Master
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Keiichi Neoseeker Complaint Department (supermod) total posts: 9099 since: Oct 2001	Nov 07, 09 at 10:16pm re: Genitalia and Sexual Health-Related Discussion ^1
	The tonsils are largely a throwback to the days when humans ate a diet consisting of primarily unprocessed foods and frequently unfiltered water. Their purpose was to serve as a storage point for white blood cells and anti-bodies to fight throat and mouth infections. With the change in diet of most 'developed' nations, the tonsils have become more of a nuisance than an asset, as they can become seriously infected of their own accord (tonsillitis). This is why many people have their tonsils removed during childhood. The appendix is similar in nature, in that it served a purpose in processing bulk roughage in the stomach and intestines. This again harkens back to a time of unprocessed foods, in which grain was a larger part of the diet and that grain was eaten in an unrefined state, including large amounts of indigestible fiber. With the advent of a largely processed and refined diet, the appendix has become superfluous in many industrialized nations. -------------------
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