The easiest way is to compare and NTSC score with a pal score, is to strip off all joker bonuses in both formats and compare directly, but because everyone wants to strive for the highest score possible, and because 1,000,000 seems to be a fixation on this and other boards, I've set up formulas which keep the unlimited jokers, AND negates most all of the scoring biases these jokers present when converting scores.

Quickly, here are the formulas applied to a specific example: 500,000 NTSC (below you'll see the variables defined and method discussed.)

NTSC driver:
t=500,000 (NTSC score without joker bonuses)
(a=70,000 + k=430,000)

T = 2(k+1/2a)

T=930,000 = estimated Pal score

Pal Driver:
T=930,000
(Kp=860,000, Ap=70,000)

t = 1/2Kp + Ap

t=500,000 = estimated NTSC score:

T = 2(k+1/2a) where:

a = all kudos from Arcade and Quick Race
k = all kudos from Kudos Challenge (without jokers!)
T = Total Pal kudos estimate

(those races where jokers were used in NTSC must be divided by 2)

Assuming you want a total(T) Pal equivalent of... "1,000,000 Kudos" (in my best Dr. Evil voice), in the NTSC version you'll need...

T = 2(k+1/2a)

Example from my game again explained better:

I have 70,000 from arcade and quickrace, 430,000 from challenges, not counting jokers.

T = 2(k+1/2a) gives me 2(430,000+35,000), or 930,000

...about 70,000 Pal short of 1 million.

how to bridge the gap? I need either 35,000 Kudos challenge points, or 70,000 arcade and quick race kudos points, or any combination which yeilds 2(k+1/2a)=70,000

You'll notice that in NTSC, 500,000 raw kudos (with no points in arcade or quick race)will equal 1,000,000 in pal. While this is a formulaic posssbility, I sincerely doubt the data will ever support it, so it's virtually impossible for Pal users to suffer in the comparison. Theoretically, an NTSC driver could achieve a converted Pal score of 1,000,000 without having 100% gold medals, but in practice it simply won't happen as the NTSC driver will need the totals from all those arcade and quick races if they hope to even approach 1,000,000 kudos converted)

For those wishing to boast their Pal scores to the NTSC crowd, here's your algebra:

t = 1/2Kp + Ap where

Kp = total Kudos Challenge kudos (Pal)
Ap = total Arcade and Quick race kudos (Pal)
t = total NTSC kudos estiamte


these converted scores eliminate 'most' performance bias favoring the Pal version as it assumes NTSC drivers have the same opportunity for doubling scores. What it does not address is the reluctance of a NTSC user to rerace and "improve" a score for which a joker was already used. You can run it faster and for higher raw scores, but you don't get to double it, so why bother, right? Well, now if you want to compare scores cross-version, NTSC people want to keep track of improved raw scores even if they don't outstrip the joker-bonus run.

For those Pal drivers who tried to figure this conversion any substantively different way than I did... your numbers don't mean anything, and here's why by example:

One Pal driver added all quick race, arcade and challenge scores (raw) and then added in the best joker bonuses for each challenge level to get a total "NTSC score" Quick and easy, but WRONG! Completely invalid.
Reasons: unlimited attempts and the hind sight to select the best race up to a dozen per level, as compared to a one-shot, hit or miss, attempt for a single race per challenge level, which hind sight being 20/20, most often proves to have been the lesser scoring race out of all the options.

The only valuable conversions are ones which eliminate this bias in favor of unlimited opportunity by excluding joker performance in the NTSC version.

You could of course exclude joker performance from both, but since 1,000,000 Kudos seems to be a point of interest, and is only seemingly possible with unlimited jokers in the Pal version, I chose to merely give then NTSC drivers the presumption of equally unlimited joker opportunity.

So let's see some cross-version scores and how you got them!

Your version and total as well as component scores.

Here's mine again for example:

NTSC driver:
t=500,000 (actual total kudos without joker bonuses)
(a=70,000 + k=430,000)

T = 2(k+1/2a)

T=930,000 = estimated Pal score (with jokers)

Pal Driver:
T=930,000
(Kp=860,000, Ap=70,000)

t = 1/2Kp + Ap

t=500,000 = estimated NTSC score without jokers

if you want or need help with the math (or if you're read, understood, and are certain I made a mistake) email me: subject: PGR

I'll be happy to help

pk4pk4@hotmail.com

Arcade plus Quick Race: 98,619
Total Kudos Challenge minus Jokers: 432,064

432,064 x 2 = 864,128
864,128 + 98619 = 962,747 (Pal w/unilmited Jokers)

I still need 145 extra kudos/race to get 1,000,000.

I'll post if/when I do.

Who out there has done this already with either version?
I'd like to know each of your race scores are without Jokers!

pk4pk4@hotmail.com

What is the difference between the PAL version and the standard? People refer to it a lot and I'm unsure of what they're relating to.

The NTSC version allows for a single joker in each Kudos challenge level where as you can earn unlimited jokers in the PAL version. With Pal you can begin to double your score in every Kudos Race as soon as you've scored a gold in every race and unlocked unlimited jokers. The conversion I posted evens the playing field between the versions.

Example:
I've earned 555997 Kudos total

99099 is from arcade and quick race

2014 points are from jokers I used early on in the game.

These points can't fairly be doubled in making the comparison, so I subtract them from the total = 454884

this number could be doubled in it's entirety in the Pal version, so I multiply it by two = 909768

no add back the quick race and arcade of 99099 and get

1,008,867 as a Pal converted score. the extra points from the use of the jokers is never added back in because we've accounted for joker bonuses in the doubling.

That 1,008,867 Pal (555,997 NTSC) is my actual score, so it really is possible. For those like myself who were originally dubious of anyone hitting the 1 mill mark. Here's proof it can be done in Pal.