quote Agua

there's too much lag time to consider

exactly my point, kirbicide, migth be efficient on some points but due to the lag, it makes it less usefull, and possibly a worst choice to attack,b ut if its pulled out rigth in either way the oponent will find itslef on a pinch because if kirby its on the plattaform and falls for it, well kamikaze kirby if not timed rigth, after exelling the oponent kirby can do an other attack, taking in consideration the lag, thats all theory, how much time length has the lag?, if its short the manouver can be pulled, yeah kirby can be deadly, on hands of a veteran, if facing a rookie, or some oen who isnt experienced oon how to counter kirby, but there are better characters thats for sure, ganadorf and mewtwo go to my favorites as lunk and sheik (as longs the oponent doesnt spams the same move over and over.)

quote Agua

best used while falling

yeah but i was thinking, "kirby taunts with be oponent jumps to attack, kirby uses up+b" if its pulled rigth the oponent will be caugth for surprise and wont know what to do

quote Agua

why would they jump, that's silly?

thinking of getting the advante in case of a character that lacks of ranged attacks, and in a match of no times, how you would counter kyrby if it started to swallow?, either you wiat until kirby stops of swalling and if the lags is short (les theorize its half of a second), in that half of a second, kirby is defensless thats when the oponent can go for the kill, but if jumps to fall in the bakc of kirby, the person in question, viewing it froma psicological point, has 79% of chances to try to run for it breaking the swallowing activating the lag and thats when the non range oponent can go for the kill, instead if it were a ranged oponent the history is diferent, but i was putting that situation, cause i was curious.

quote Agua

but you said he was taunting not sucking...

exactly my point the taunt is the very move that initiates kirbicide, now what would you do in the situation were you cant attack him from distance..., if youg et close to him there is a chance he sucks you, if you jump and he is in the very edge of the stage, there is also a chance of you getting to climb up, ergo giving kirby the chance to rack you at the very moment you climb, one of the strategies i read on club nintendo was that, try to intercept the oponent just before he re-enters, hard to pull of with some characters, easy with others, but it will take your oponent with guard low, and defensless, please could you remind me what is kirby up+b?, im not usre if ti was changed from here to brawl.

his up B is Final Cutter, kirby gets out a sword and swoops up then down. in melee this move sucks. most of his moves sucks. kirbys kirbycide really is a bad technique that you only get a chance to do against stupid opponents.

quote Agua

Mr. Idaho, you lost me,
but I can assure that whatever strategy you said
is utter crap.

just call me duncan, and no the basic idea was "make a taunt with kirbycide (ergo start the manouver and fooling the oponent onto thinkign ha! got ya sutpid kirbicide )" and if the oponnent is marth for example how will you counter the in theory kirbicide, as far as its has ben posted, only the ranged chaaracters have a safe chance againts kirbicide, being either experts or... noobs, instead melle character, like ganadorf, must get close to break, or at least being patient, when it comes to that, then is that the taunt enters in action, "it would go: i start sucking player b, jumps, at the same time i start sucking and i do the up + b character (note: than this is assumign a pettry advanced match of in stock, and heavy damage), in theory there is a chance that the oponents falls and kirby sends it."

Suck then up B? What does that achieve?

the language barrier doesnt help, but to get things straight:

kirbycide should not be used as bait. only do it if it will work. it is a bad move, as kirby has better moves to use in any situation. there is usually a better option than kirbycide, better attacks, mindgames, edgeguards... kirbycide should never really be used, except hanging from the ledge or falling close past it.

this is a tech only good for alast ditch effort