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Eureka Neo or Bust since: Dec 2002	Jan 11, 09 at 3:59am re: gaza conflict
	I'm off to school now so I can't say much more and really don't see this argument going anywhere, so I'm going to say this before I leave: People cannot say "Israel is just using self defense" to justify what they are doing. When almost 900 people have died, when 3500 people have been injured, when homes have been destroyed, when schools are hit by rockets...what Israel has been doing simply cannot be justified. Fighting Hamas DOES NOT justify any of that - don't you see? What Israel is doing will not help in the long run. All it does is simply give the Palestinians even MORE reason to hate Israel. This has only brewed more hatred towards them, and hatred is not what we need right now. Murdering hundreds of innocent civilians so you can kill a few Hamas militants and and destroy bases WILL. NOT. HELP. What Israel has done here is the worst step they could've taken, and by the end of all of this, more than a thousand of Palestinians will be dead. Will it have been worth it? No, it will not. Save Gaza. This must end.
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Sadistic Killuminati Seeketh Maximus total posts: 5261 since: Jun 2005	Jan 11, 09 at 4:02am re: gaza conflict
	So shit can happen is now a military slogan? I thought it was about strategy and everything was thought out and planned, but you make it sound like it's a game of battle ship and you just bomb whatever the hell you can. -------------------
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Slumpy monkey Neo or Bust total posts: 7487 GameGrep pts: 3331 since: Nov 2006	Jan 11, 09 at 4:02am re: gaza conflict
	quote Eureka I'm off to school now so I can't say much more and really don't see this argument going anywhere, so I'm going to say this before I leave: People cannot say "Israel is just using self defense" to justify what they are doing. When almost 900 people have died, when 3500 people have been injured, when homes have been destroyed, when schools are hit by rockets...what Israel has been doing simply cannot be justified. Fighting Hamas DOES NOT justify any of that - don't you see? What Israel is doing will not help in the long run. All it does is simply give the Palestinians even MORE reason to hate Israel. This has only brewed more hatred towards them, and hatred is not what we need right now. Murdering hundreds of innocent civilians so you can kill a few Hamas militants and and destroy bases WILL. NOT. HELP. What Israel has done here is the worst step they could've taken, and by the end of all of this, more than a thousand of Palestinians will be dead. Will it have been worth it? No, it will not. Save Gaza. This must end. So what? The hundreds of people killed in the middle east due to NATOs operations don't count? The ongoing war in Iraq and Afghanistan is making the Taliban love the west? Hamas put there people in these citations. War isn't clean cut, things happen on the go. ------------------- Steam Forum\|Portfolio
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DiP_N_DaBaY Living life in the middle lane!!! ultra seeker total posts: 1509 since: Dec 2004	Jan 11, 09 at 4:03am re: gaza conflict
	quote Sadistic So shit can happen is now a military slogan? I thought it was about strategy and everything was thought out and planned, but you make it sound like it's a game of battle ship and you just bomb whatever the hell you can. Naw it's more like not everyone is perfect. ------------------- R.I.P. Denario "Nario" Brown (1985-2005) and David "Dave" Gregory (1987-2005).
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Subzer0 moderator RPG/Adventure [PSP] since: Aug 2005	Jan 11, 09 at 4:04am re: gaza conflict
	quote Slumpy monkey quote Sadistic Well 2 days ago they bombed a childrens school because they thought someone was shooting rockets from their. More than 30 kids were killed. 0 Hamas Militants. They should really look where they are shooting. Yeah they should. But things like that happen in war. Just like when that US fighter pilot shot down his own troops. You make it sound like its not that big of a deal.
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Rome USMC - Sergeant Major of the USMC True Addiction total posts: 18414 since: Aug 2006	Jan 11, 09 at 4:05am re: gaza conflict
	Hamas is to blame for provoking the beast. Israel is to blame for being the provoked beast. I think that the best way to fight terrorism is the way they do it to us, covertly and with intelligence. Just because they attack our civilians, it does not mean we should attack "their" civilians. The truth is that many Palestinians have no leaning and just want to care for their families. They are potential allies against Hamas. ------------------- Former Rome
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Slumpy monkey Neo or Bust total posts: 7487 GameGrep pts: 3331 since: Nov 2006	Jan 11, 09 at 4:06am re: gaza conflict
	quote Subzer0 quote Slumpy monkey quote Sadistic Well 2 days ago they bombed a childrens school because they thought someone was shooting rockets from their. More than 30 kids were killed. 0 Hamas Militants. They should really look where they are shooting. Yeah they should. But things like that happen in war. Just like when that US fighter pilot shot down his own troops. You make it sound like its not that big of a deal. I'm not. That was bad, which is why I said they should look where they shoot. But if you see a rocket being fired from a building you would attack the building. Its not like they had a massive investigation to check if it was actually coming from there. They just saw the threat passed on the info higher up and a strike was ordered. ------------------- Steam Forum\|Portfolio
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DiP_N_DaBaY Living life in the middle lane!!! ultra seeker total posts: 1509 since: Dec 2004	Jan 11, 09 at 4:08am re: gaza conflict
	quote Rome Hamas is to blame for provoking the beast. Israel is to blame for being the provoked beast. I think that the best way to fight terrorism is the way they do it to us, covertly and with intelligence. Just because they attack our civilians, it does not mean we should attack "their" civilians. The truth is that many Palestinians have no leaning and just want to care for their families. They are potential allies against Hamas. It's funny because they have a lot more experience in conflicts like this than the US yet they fail to fight in a efficient manner. I agree with them fighting but they are doing it in a very sloppy way. ------------------- R.I.P. Denario "Nario" Brown (1985-2005) and David "Dave" Gregory (1987-2005).
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The Lost Soul One foot on the gas, one in the grave Seeketh Maximus since: Jun 2007	Jan 11, 09 at 4:09am re: gaza conflict
	I find it somewhat hilarious that everyone is concerned with something that probably won't ever stop, to be honest. ------------------- Somewhere in the between is the life of which we all dream, And nothing or no one can ever take that away.
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Subzer0 moderator RPG/Adventure [PSP] since: Aug 2005	Jan 11, 09 at 4:11am re: gaza conflict
	Sure looks that way. 60 years and still continuing. quote DiP_N_DaBaY quote Sadistic So shit can happen is now a military slogan? I thought it was about strategy and everything was thought out and planned, but you make it sound like it's a game of battle ship and you just bomb whatever the hell you can. Naw it's more like not everyone is perfect. The amount of innocent civilians they have killed over the years is simply inexcusable. Not perfect my ass. quote Slumpy monkey quote Subzer0 quote Slumpy monkey quote Sadistic Well 2 days ago they bombed a childrens school because they thought someone was shooting rockets from their. More than 30 kids were killed. 0 Hamas Militants. They should really look where they are shooting. Yeah they should. But things like that happen in war. Just like when that US fighter pilot shot down his own troops. You make it sound like its not that big of a deal. I'm not. That was bad, which is why I said they should look where they shoot. But if you see a rocket being fired from a building you would attack the building. Its not like they had a massive investigation to check if it was actually coming from there. They just saw the threat passed on the info higher up and a strike was ordered. Yeah. So they just nuke a random building without even knowing for sure where the rocket came from. Good reasoning. To them, killing a Hamas militant is equivalent to killing a civilian imho.
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Sadistic Killuminati Seeketh Maximus total posts: 5261 since: Jun 2005	Jan 11, 09 at 4:11am re: gaza conflict
	But it nice to know where people stand on the conflict. -------------------
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Slumpy monkey Neo or Bust total posts: 7487 GameGrep pts: 3331 since: Nov 2006	Jan 11, 09 at 4:12am re: gaza conflict
	quote Sadistic But it nice to know where people stand on the conflict. Plus it gives us something to do. ------------------- Steam Forum\|Portfolio
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DiP_N_DaBaY Living life in the middle lane!!! ultra seeker total posts: 1509 since: Dec 2004	Jan 11, 09 at 4:13am re: gaza conflict
	quote The Lost Soul I find it somewhat hilarious that everyone is concerned with something that probably won't ever stop, to be honest. This is not some everyday conflict, the Hamas got substantially more aggressive and now the Israelis are retaliating. This not some regular invasion. ------------------- R.I.P. Denario "Nario" Brown (1985-2005) and David "Dave" Gregory (1987-2005).
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DiP_N_DaBaY Living life in the middle lane!!! ultra seeker total posts: 1509 since: Dec 2004	Jan 11, 09 at 4:15am re: gaza conflict
	quote Subzer0 Sure looks that way. 60 years and still continuing. quote DiP_N_DaBaY quote Sadistic So shit can happen is now a military slogan? I thought it was about strategy and everything was thought out and planned, but you make it sound like it's a game of battle ship and you just bomb whatever the hell you can. Naw it's more like not everyone is perfect. The amount of innocent civilians they have killed over the years is simply inexcusable. Not perfect my ass. quote Slumpy monkey quote Subzer0 quote Slumpy monkey quote Sadistic Well 2 days ago they bombed a childrens school because they thought someone was shooting rockets from their. More than 30 kids were killed. 0 Hamas Militants. They should really look where they are shooting. Yeah they should. But things like that happen in war. Just like when that US fighter pilot shot down his own troops. You make it sound like its not that big of a deal. I'm not. That was bad, which is why I said they should look where they shoot. But if you see a rocket being fired from a building you would attack the building. Its not like they had a massive investigation to check if it was actually coming from there. They just saw the threat passed on the info higher up and a strike was ordered. Yeah. So they just nuke a random building without even knowing for sure where the rocket came from. Good reasoning. You're right, but it's hard to fight a battle when the enemies is very close by civilians, there's bound to be a lot of fatalities for the militants and the civilians. ------------------- R.I.P. Denario "Nario" Brown (1985-2005) and David "Dave" Gregory (1987-2005).
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The Lost Soul One foot on the gas, one in the grave Seeketh Maximus since: Jun 2007	Jan 11, 09 at 4:17am re: gaza conflict
	quote DiP_N_DaBaY quote The Lost Soul I find it somewhat hilarious that everyone is concerned with something that probably won't ever stop, to be honest. This is not some everyday conflict, the Hamas got substantially more aggressive and now the Israelis are retaliating. This not some regular invasion. Then once it boils down, everything will start up again. It's the way religion over there works. ------------------- Somewhere in the between is the life of which we all dream, And nothing or no one can ever take that away.
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