We don't have a missions thread?

Anywho, what type of missions would you like to see in DMC3? Do you want long drawn-out missons? Quick 3 minute missions? Do you want linear missions or ones where there is more than one path to get to the end of it?

I got this thread from a comment HK007 made. There's one major thing I don't want and that's underwater missions. In both of the games these missions weren't terribly exciting and I just wanted to get past them as fast as I possibly could.

I would prefer more of the long maybe 2-part missions, where the missions are long detailed and difficult, with a lot of a little side bosses, to make it interesting. Especially in DMC2 the missions were a little easy to get past. In DMC1, there were a lot of good missions, but a couple of crap ones, especially the 1st mission in DMC1 was kinda pointless, but just entering the castle.

Well DMC1 was fairly linear as well, just there seemed to be more freedom in where you could actually go and things. Underwater missions weren't a bad idea in principle, but they just weren't done that well in either game, so hopefully they'll leave all the fighting to go on land.

Also in DMC you seemed to go through many different environments. We had battles on boats, a Colloseum, something that felt like the inside of a body with the heart, to flying through space. In DMC2 all the missions appeared to take place either right outside some buildings, or inside a building, with not much variation, certainly not as much as in DMC1.

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I would like to see some more freedom from the linearity of the past games also, but its a fine line to tread.

Many things are usually a fine line between being great and being lousy, but it was done so well in DMC1. DMC2 was almost an example of how not to do the levels. They were large yes, but they felt empty. If there were enemies around every corner or more stairs and tunnels etc... then maybe it wouldn't have felt so barren.

DMC1 was mostly contained in a building or a certain path. But you had the large open are where you first fight Griffon, but although it was large it didn't seem boring as several things actually took place in there. For one there was a boss and then Death Scissors if I remember rightly. In DMC2 you did have the boss who appeared out from the building wall, but that was only a small part of that rather large area.

If I had to choose I'd go back to having the game indoors like DMC1 was.

The levels in DMC1 were amazing, compared to the levels in DMC2. The colosseum, was amazing, and that was a great boss battle, and it gave different ways to complete it also. Go to the top level and fight from up there, or stay on the ground and attack from below. Also the ship was another great battle, funny Griffon, had some great places to do battle, even though he definetly was not my favorite boss.

But it is just the fact that the variety in DMC1 was way better than DMC2. The levels, and especially the weapons. In DMC1, you had swords gauntlets, and the guns were a little different. In DMC2, you just had 3 swords, with the only difference is range and power. And the guns, and the missile launcher (which made the game boring really quick.

If they can keep the variety, and make the game difficult, I can guarantee it will be a much better game. Dante Must Die mode on DMC2 felt like Normal mode on DMC1 IMO. That should not be.

Well in DMC the castle wasn't only gothic but in a way it was alive. Pilars warped and shaped like trees, statues that broke away (forgot the name of the black cat thingies?)shadows?) and death scythes popping out of paintings. In DMC2 it was like here is the enviroment *poof* here is an enemy...fight! The city was lifeless. It would of been really cool if civilians ran around screaming and were killed by those ghost wolves. I'm looking foward to DMC3 as I see there is a club of some sort and Danta spinning and kicking an enemy on a pole. But there needs to be people, part of Dante's life is getting paid and protecting humans from devil's. Wheres the huge conflicts like: Dante runs into the middle of a street to find a riot of people running and screaming as a giant devil with mashing teeth tosses a human into a building. What do you guys think?

Firstly, Deathman, it's the Sin Scythes in the courtyard of the Colloseum, not Death Scissors... Death Scissors is the annoying little bitch you fight at the end of the first mission in the sewers, just before you find the Guiding Light. Oh, and in Hard and DMD! modes, you fight one in the area with the fountain after smashing the lion statue, instead of a shadow. Also, to ... someone else... sorry, don't remember who posted it, it's Sin Scissors that pop out of the paintings, not Death Scythes... General rule of thumb: "Sin"s are the smaller, common ones; "Death"s are the ones that caused you horrific pain if you weren't on your game. Minor oversights, but I'm anal-retentive about stupid crap like this.

Anyways, as far as the missions, Styx, I couldn't agree more. I, for one, would REALLY enjoy missions wherein there are civilians to save, or some such. Relating back to the Styles thread, that could make your Style choice before the mission very important. Sure, there are a lot of demons to fight, thus Gunfighter or Swordmaster would help, but that might lead to you killing some of the people you're trying to save, or something... Maybe Royal Guard will be better at sparing bystanders or something, or Trickster can help you feint around them, and confuse the enemies or some such. Dunno what to expect out of it, but, yeah, civilians will give the game more life. It worked well in the original Jedi Knight.

As far as the length of the missions, I'd probably prefer they not make any of them too terribly long, if only because of the style issue. You can't switch styles mid-mission, that's apparently been established already. Thus, I'd like to avoid being stuck on one style for too long. Granted, I see myself using Swordmaster mostly, anyway, but maybe there's times I won't want to... I don't want to be stuck with it for thirty minutes, meanwhile, for the next area, I get to try out Trickster for a minute and a half.

And, yes, the environments for DMC worked incredibly well. Yes, the game railroaded you a good deal, but, frankly, that's what I want out of this style of game. It's an ACTION PLATFORMER, people. If you want to make choices with the plot, play an RPG. If you want to kick devil ass, play DMC. The occasional puzzle should be a bit more than DMC's constant barrage of "Should I use the thing that obviously goes here?", but it's not wholly neccessary. But, back to the environments, I think they worked so much better because most of them were small, and you went through most areas more than once. Hence, since you were likely to be looking at the same stuff multiple times, they took care when they designed it, to make it all look good. There's not a single area in DMC that doesn't look absolutely great. The artists knew what they were doing, right down to the tiny details. Apparently, though, the frequent small areas bugged people. So, in DMC2, they overcompensated by making most areas too big, and thus, entirely too empty. Bigger areas means more surface area to texture and detail, which means the artists don't care as much on any given wall texture. Which ends up with some (or perhaps, many) of them looking dry and lifeless. Hence, we have another benefit of being railroaded a bit: the level design artists are forced to care more.

I really strongly doubt there will be humans thoe.