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Jun 13, 09 at 1:04pm
White Eco vs. Light Eco

Ok guys, I need your help in this argument.

White and Light Eco debate

I need your opinions on this. I've typed all this up, but I need an argument that states they ARE in fact the same substance, because according to these guys, they are.

So, what are your thoughts on this matter? Same substance? Different substance?

Discuss.


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Jun 14, 09 at 12:31pm
re: White Eco vs. Light Eco

For the benefit of thoes who couldn't be assed to read the page, I'll copy and paste it here.

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The first point to note is that while White Eco is obviously a white color, Light Eco is a blue color. This is extended by the fact that Jak turns completely white when he picks up White Eco, while Light Jak is a blue color.

Another point to note is that while White Eco was made artificially (Sages combining their powers), Light Eco occurs naturally (i.e. in Eco Vents and from enemies). Adding onto this, White Eco is VERY rare, while Light Eco is found much more often (albeit rarer than Dark Eco).

As Gol and Maia are about to be defeated, the Sages make White Eco. Daxter states that White Eco may be able to change him back to his human form. He decides against this. However, if White Eco and Light Eco are indeed the same substance, then Daxter's contact with Light Eco would change him back to normal. This has not happened throughout his many occasions of contact with Light Eco in Jak 3.

White Eco grants Jak immense power, strong enough to destroy Gol and Maia's modified Precursor Robot. While White Eco is a more offensive Eco, Light Eco is more of a defensive power, with abilities such as healing, shields and stopping time. This may be due to Jak's infusion with Dark Eco, and since Jak has an unusual ability to channel eco, it is possible that Jak's infusion with Dark Eco changed this ability somewhat. However in this sense, White Eco is more similar to Dark Eco, considering the amount of destruction possible with them. Since Light Eco is the opposite to Dark Eco, this could extend the idea further.


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re: White Eco vs. Light Eco

Tbh Zack I think the page already did that explanation for him.



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Jun 15, 09 at 4:53pm
re: White Eco vs. Light Eco

Um, "that site"? That's on the wiki. =/

1) No, they don't. One is white and one is blue. Now I know they are VERY similar colours but...wait, never mind. The only types of Eco that look remotely similar are Blue and Light. And how are they distinctive? Light looks like a shining orb, and Blue looks like it's electrified, so to speak. White Eco, on the other hand, looks like a blob.

2) White Eco isn't supposed to be the opposite to Dark Eco. It's just as destructive as Dark Eco, and in fact has just about the same power as Dark Eco (could change Daxter back). Light Eco on the other hand settles Dark Eco, making THAT the opposite of Dark Eco.

3) You're using theories behind that point. Don't.
  • Yes, obviously he never comes into contact with White Eco. Did I say he did?
  • When has that EVER been stated?
  • How do you know that the Precursors themselves wouldn't have changed if they fell into a pool of Dark Eco?
  • No, he can't be the embodiment of White Eco since as you said he NEVER came into contact with White Eco. I think you mean Dark Eco.
  • That's not a theory, it's a well known fact. The idea that it was a "last minute idea" is your theory.
4) I suppose that would have made more sense if we actually saw red, yellow and blue eco in Jak 3.

5) Plothole. Don't even consider that.


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Aug 08, 09 at 7:05pm
re: White Eco vs. Light Eco

Yes, I've watched it 100 times. They say white. The crappy sound quality on YT (compared to the actual TV) is probably why you're thinking that. They say white eco. Trust me. Call me deaf if you want.

Infusing and absorbing makes no difference. Channelling is the factor. It doesn't matter whether it's inside him or outside him; his main attribute is his unusual ability to channel eco. If they TRULY were the same eco, then he would channel them the same way.

Not once did I say the ecos disappeared. I DID say that we couldn't see them again, in their eco form, until Jak X (we'll find out the answer to that in TLF). So what're you trying to say? If we put all the types of ammo together we'd get light eco? Don't be ridiculous.

I can't believe you just said that. Are you SERIOUSLY saying that the eco has to change just to fit the game mechanics? What the hell is wrong with you?

Don't say gay in that context. Ever.

I'm telling you, you're insane if you think that altering the eco was only altered to fit the mechanics of the game. That would make no sense!

As for the second post (which you could have editted into your first post), YOU'RE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF! You're again saying that they altered the eco's properties to fit the game mechanics, which makes no sense. If white eco is truly the same as light eco, then it WOULD be defensive in the first game, or it would be offensive in the third. They have to have the SAME properties; otherwise it makes no sense.

If this bullshit theory is actually true, then ND walked into tons of plotholes. And I doubt they're stupid enough for that.


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Dec 21, 09 at 11:28am
re: White Eco vs. Light Eco

Just wanted to give you an update on the debate - I'm winning.

quote New evidence
In Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier, Light Eco returns in the form of a Light Eco Drop; as in Jak 3, it takes a blue appearance. This factor contributes to the argument further, as will be explained in the next paragraph.

The Dark Sage's Mail - a new type of armour in the game - has 2 lines of bright lights on it. These lights change colour depending on the dominance of a certain type of eco power-up - for example, if the player has more Yellow Eco power ups than green, red and blue power-ups, the lights will turn yellow. Likewise with more Red Eco power ups, the lights will turn red, and so on. However, when all power-ups are in balance (all at the same level or have purchased all power-ups) the lights turn a white colour. This further contributes to the theory as green, red, yellow and blue eco all combine to create White Eco. If this were Light Eco, the lights probably would have turned a lighter shade of blue (an azure-type colour).

Furthermore, at the end of the game, as the Eco Core regains its power, it emits a bright white color, with rainbow colors flashing - looking extremely similar to the White Eco in Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy. Such a sensation of white eco can also be seen when standing on a Precursor Totem (which restores eco powers).
This is in comparison to the tiny section against the argument.

quote Whole against section
An argument for this theory is that Gol says "Light Eco" as it appears before him in the final battle. However, the distortion in his voice and the muffled sound (as a result of being inside the Precursor Robot) make this difficult to determine.

Some consider Jak's mutation from Dark Eco as a key factor to the change in use, and believe that this causes him to channel the eco differently. While in the first game Jak channeled the Eco in offensive form, Jak channeled the Eco in a defensive form in the third game, possibly due to the Dark Eco flowing through him.

Another argument is that the functions of the eco changed to suit the new gameplay (however this would open too many plot holes).
I really need the other section expanded if we even want to consider it an argument.


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Dec 25, 09 at 11:01am
re: White Eco vs. Light Eco

If the mechanics of every game in the world were changed just to suit the new gameplay, then it would break away too much from the story. I think it's the same principal with this.


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