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Usefulness: Franz. I don't know what you guys are on about him being fragile at the beginning, I have him 20/1 by at least lvl 8. And by then he has better stats than Duessel, who is 7 levels higher than him.

Personal Preference: Tana, she is awesome . Maxed out speed and skill at lvl 20/9, add swiftsoles, fili shield and she is unstoppable. Ross is also a fave of mine, with his 30 strength 7 levels before 20/20.
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Usefulness: Franz. I don't know what you guys are on about him being fragile at the beginning, I have him 20/1 by at least lvl 8. And by then he has better stats than Duessel, who is 7 levels higher than him.

Personal Preference: Tana, she is awesome . Maxed out speed and skill at lvl 20/9, add swiftsoles, fili shield and she is unstoppable. Ross is also a fave of mine, with his 30 strength 7 levels before 20/20.
thats due that duessel is a jeigan, ergo it means he is a crappy unit, but, in fE8 he can be used, why? you can get infinite stat boosters.


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re: Who's the Best Charecter in FE8?

Duessel is most certainly not a Jeigan, that's a whole other can of worms. He's just your standard bad prepromote. Also, you can use pretty much anyone in FE8 if you tower grind and whatnot.



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tbh he is much easier to lvl than nino is and personally i think hes much better than nino
Practically every FE8 unit that isn't a trainee can claim this as well, and all of them are easier to train than the FE8 trainees as well.

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and in response to someone earlier who was talking about the tower...ive never used the tower for any of the trainees and i can level them up just fine. i think that those units test a players determination and their strategy - makes it more interesting if you use them
It's not about it being possible to train them without the tower. It's more about "why bother?" when you can use other units that don't require a test of determination. I really don't see how a best character is one that requires extra effort to make usable.


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re: Who's the Best Charecter in FE8?

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Usefulness: Franz. I don't know what you guys are on about him being fragile at the beginning, I have him 20/1 by at least lvl 8. And by then he has better stats than Duessel, who is 7 levels higher than him.

Personal Preference: Tana, she is awesome . Maxed out speed and skill at lvl 20/9, add swiftsoles, fili shield and she is unstoppable. Ross is also a fave of mine, with his 30 strength 7 levels before 20/20.
thats due that duessel is a jeigan, ergo it means he is a crappy unit, but, in fE8 he can be used, why? you can get infinite stat boosters.
That's not what a Jeigan is.

Jeigans are prepromotes who join early in the game with comparitively high stats, but are best to be swapped out later.


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re: Who's the Best Charecter in FE8?

As far as I know, Duessel doens't fit into any true archetype, unless there's one for semi-useful prepremotes that join mid game.
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re: Who's the Best Charecter in FE8?

duesell is not usefull not even by a longshot, maybe in the tower but only for the first 5 floors or so.



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As far as I know, Duessel doens't fit into any true archetype, unless there's one for semi-useful prepremotes that join mid game.
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Nov 21, 09 at 9:20pm
re: Who's the Best Charecter in FE8?

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duesell is not usefull not even by a longshot, maybe in the tower but only for the first 5 floors or so.
Duessel is only bad in Eirika's route due to his late join time. Even then it's not as if he's Knoll bad or something. XD In Ephraim's route he's got a level advantage that helps him out.

Of course he's not as good as Franz or Seth or whatever, but then you're comparing him to top/high tier units. Duessel's more mid tier (near the latter half of it but mid tier all the same). Not amazingly good but not bad either.


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Nov 21, 09 at 11:04pm
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by the tiem i get duessel i have joshua as a sword master, ross as a berserker, Colm as an assasin and amelia as a general(some times i get lucky with the monsters) i have a 2 promoted flyers and all of the units are at level 15 at least, and thats on ephraim route, just add 5 more levels on eirika side.


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re: Who's the Best Charecter in FE8?

You have Colm and Ross both promoted by Chapter 10 via Ocean Seal? Is that even possible? IIRC you should only have one Ocean Seal by that point.

The point with Duessel is that he's got his level lead to help him out so that you don't have to waste time powerlevelling someone else just to make them decent. Using the tower makes the whole thing moot as even Duessel can benefit from that, which makes join time the only remaining factor.

Your whole opinion seems to revolve around "I don't need him because I already have a team by that point". Fair enough but that's not a reflection on Duessel's abilities.


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re: Who's the Best Charecter in FE8?

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[color=blue]You have Colm and Ross both promoted by Chapter 10 via Ocean Seal? Is that even possible? IIRC you should only have one Ocean Seal by that point.

in a couple of ocassions i have bee lucky to get an extra master seal from the monster stages, the monster have a chance of having the item so i make colm steal it before i promote him, the hard part is obtaining them, due tot he low %.


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The point with Duessel is that he's got his level lead to help him out so that you don't have to waste time powerlevelling someone else just to make them decent. Using the tower makes the whole thing moot as even Duessel can benefit from that, which makes join time the only remaining factor.
sure i admit thats a great asset but his stats dont show off in fact in normal mode i need to baby sit him more than once.

he has its usefullness on ephraim but in eirkika he is a danger to himself deu that the chapter he joins casually is filled with a flood of amges and strong units, knill is better than duessel even if knoll joins later, knoll at least has room to grow.


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Your whole opinion seems to revolve around "I don't need him because I already have a team by that point". Fair enough but that's not a reflection on Duessel's abilities.
yes and no, i never have my team until last minute, i dont like duessel due to his stats he starts decent, but he just does not gets any better than that unless you expend a lot of cash on giving him stat boosters, to make him a little more worty i just played duessel 3 times and nver bothered with him again in all my life.


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re: Who's the Best Charecter in FE8?

quote Alkaid
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As far as I know, Duessel doens't fit into any true archetype, unless there's one for semi-useful prepremotes that join mid game.
Oifaye. FE4, Play it.
While technically correct as Oifaye joins in the middle of FE4, I think most people think the start of Gen 2 is considered its earlygame....

EDIT: @Idaho - I suggest not using the possibility of getting a lucky Master Seal drop. That means that you need to prove that Ross deserves that Master Seal more than the rest of your party.

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EDIT: @Idaho - I suggest not using the possibility of getting a lucky Master Seal drop. That means that you need to prove that Ross deserves that Master Seal more than the rest of your party.
i tend to get more ocean seals some times when im on the skirmishes, by the time i get to duessel and i have 2 ocean seals in my wagon, so i use one on colm, and one on ross as pirate, and on eirikas i foucs on geting hero crests so i can give one to ross (i only promote ross after eirika and ephraim part ways) so i tend to g rossa s ahero with eirkia and ross as a berserker with ephraim.


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