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 GhostMemberSeeketh Maximus
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 Oct 14, 07 at 6:16am |
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Excalibur has a Spd boost which counters its weight. That's why Excalibur and Garm are hax S-rank weapons in FE8. >>
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Insanity Prevails (neocrs)
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 Oct 14, 07 at 10:15am |
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I didn't mean Excalibur was worthless. I was just saying that all anima magic is generally better than its light counterparts, excalibur included.
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Simon the Nekonin Neolithic
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 Dec 17, 07 at 2:26pm |
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Can't you use a body ring?
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GhostMember Seeketh Maximus
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Dec 17, 07 at 2:30pm |
quote Simon the NekoninThat counts as a point against Bishop. If you buy a Body Ring, that's 8000 less gold which could've been used for weapons, and if you use one which you found, you lose 4000 Gold which could've been used for weapons. ------------------- | |
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Duncan Idaho The Top General of The Atriedes Forces
Neolithic  total posts: 6339 neopoints: 108 since: Dec 2007 |
Feb 28, 08 at 7:13pm |
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not nescesar y is has to be considered as an lost. since by increasing the the constituion w get the posibility of making use of better weapons.
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Insanity Prevails (neocrs)
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Feb 28, 08 at 7:37pm |
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And at the same time nobody else can use that body ring, or you lose 4000 gold because you can't sell what you've just used. Last I checked, bishop was not the only class that would like more Con. If a bishop takes it then nobody else can, so nobody else can improve. Or we sell the ring and buy high power weapons and stuff, in which case several units become better by grabbing some silvers or killers.
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Duncan Idaho The Top General of The Atriedes Forces
Neolithic total posts: 6339 neopoints: 108 since: Dec 2007 |
Feb 28, 08 at 8:33pm |
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Disagree it true that you lost 4000 Gold (wich can be regained in unlimited form of ways), anyway, its true than the silver, and killer are good but they price is more elevated if we pick a couple of Body rings.
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Insanity Prevails (neocrs)
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Feb 28, 08 at 9:08pm |
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What are you getting at? Using a body ring is a negative. Period. There is no if or but. If I don't use a body ring on a bishop then I can either use that same body ring on someone else (like one of the pegasus' for instance) or sell it for some high power weapons. So what if I can earn the money back? I'd still have to wait to earn that 4000 gold and even then the team that sold the body ring still has several more units with better optional damage output than the team that used the body ring. 2-3 units with more attack >>>>>> 1 unit losing less AS Bare in mind as well that weight is just one factor where Light loses to Anima. In most cases it is also losing in power and cost too. From a strategic point of view there is no reason for me to promote anyone not named Natasha to a class that is locked to light, simply because anima is superior in every way that matters. Unless there's something about light that makes it better than anima so as to warrant using a body ring then the player is obviously better off going with anima. ------------------- | |
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Duncan Idaho The Top General of The Atriedes Forces
Neolithic total posts: 6339 neopoints: 108 since: Dec 2007 |
Feb 28, 08 at 9:21pm |
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my point is, that you can earn money the double fast than you lost it, ligth is usperior to anima, yet anima has advantage using talismans to increas resistance gives you the upper hand here, i just use body rings on a few units to compensate the weigth of the legendary weapons.
My "Master list:" L´Árchel: Mage Knigth. Neimi: Ranger. Amelia: General/Great Knigth. Ross: Hero/warrior/Berserker. Ewan: Druid. Natasha: Bishop. Moulder Bishop. Arthur Sage. Lute: Sage. Vanessa: Wyvern Knigth. Tana: Wyvern Knigth. Giiliam: General. Gerik: Hero/Ranger. Colm: Assasin. Joshua and Marisa: Sword masters. Cormag: Wyvern Knigth. Franz/Kyle/Forde: Great Knigts. unless that im losing some one its done. ------------------- Join GoBad Chaos commanders Join Time Warp Join the Star meteor clan | |
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Insanity Prevails (neocrs)
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Feb 28, 08 at 9:57pm |
quote Duncan IdahoSo? The anima-using team still has more money than the bishop team you're using body rings on. Putting aside heading for the tower (which makes almost any arguement moot) you don't have unlimited funds in the campaign. Losing 4000 gold to compensate for the heavier weight of light magic is clearly a disadvantage. Or an advantage to anima users for having 4000 extra gold. Whatever. The more money I have the more silvers/killers I can buy and therefore the stronger my army becomes. This advantage didn't go anywhere, and unless you've got enough money to outfit your entire army in the best weapons around at every given point in the campaign then any extra money is clearly an advantage. If you're intent on bringing the funds earned from the tower into this then I counter by saying that having to visit the tower less often to get the same amount of funds is also an advantage, as then I can get on with the main campaign sooner. So it's either more funds or the same funds sooner. Advantage either way. quote Duncan IdahoWhat? Did you just contradict yourself within the same sentence? Anima weighs less. Anima is more damaging. Anima costs less. Light... does what again? Oh yeah, it gives more hit none of the spellcasters want and some crit that isn't making any kind of difference. quote Duncan Idaho...what relevance does this have again? ------------------- | |
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Duncan Idaho The Top General of The Atriedes Forces
Neolithic total posts: 6339 neopoints: 108 since: Dec 2007 |
Feb 29, 08 at 12:07am |
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i was saiying that the anima in the trinity has the advantage, yet the ligth is superior by 2 things: the Bishops Class, and as you said they give you more hit power, since the anima is an offensive based magic, i make the ligth superior by cutting the damage of the anima by using the Talismans, yet it can be used in the same way, for the Mage knigths and sages, aslo the Valkire has more heavy resisstances capes than the Mage knigth, yet L´Archel as an a MK gives her the figthing boost, not the healer.
and im facinated by the contradictions of the life and the universe itself so in a few ocasion i like to contradict myself, but afterwards i always see the things out and inside the box. Lend me put it in more easy way. Bishop Skill Slayer (Usefull for the Ruins and the tower). Sage: Multi Magic use, SSkill none. Valkire: ligth Magic and staves, yet her resistance caps are higher than any other clases. Mage knigth: Power intead defence. my point with this is that the anima users are more focused in the figthing side than in the Defensive side like the Bishop`s, and Valkires. entering to the 6 or 7th floor of the tower earns you an BK gem worth 50000G, for my strategies using the body rings is an esential part for heighen my evasion (the first 3 things that you should maximise are: Luck, Speed and Contituion) ------------------- Join GoBad Chaos commanders Join Time Warp Join the Star meteor clan | |
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Feb 29, 08 at 1:44am |
quote Duncan IdahoThe hit is useless though. Thunder's already giving 80 hit by itself. Adding in skill and luck from a unit would likely knock that over 100 easy. You're not missing with that, especially if hit-boosting supports are active, and any other anima tome not named Bolting has equal or more hit. And the slayer skill is overkill against any monster that isn't a dracozombie. Winning against 1 enemy type does not beat winning against every single non-monster enemy type, which outnumber monsters in campaign. Even in creature campaign, slayer tends to be overkill against most monsters so it hardly helps. quote Duncan Idaho..what? Why are talismans being brought up? A spellcaster's resistance has nothing to do with their attack strength. The discussion relates to how useful each spell type is. Most of the game does not involve firing spells at your own units. quote Duncan IdahoValkyrie's res cap is 28. A female mage knight's res cap... is 28. Male druids and summoners also have 28 res caps. Highest res cap in classes (for playable classes) actually goes to bishops (and necromancer), but unless you're going in for link arena then such minor points hardly matter. No spellcaster isworried about taking magic hits outside of LA. As for Mage Knight F, Valkyrie only gets 1 more res at promotion and equal caps for HP, Def and Res. It's hardly anymore defensive. quote Duncan IdahoValkyrie's have been covered. Bishop's more defensive? Promotion gains Sage gets 1 more HP and 1 more Res. Bishops don't get to win defence until you start ramming stat caps. quote Duncan IdahoMore like 30000G (and of course, sells for half that at 15000). Anyway, so? Nothing's changed. Extra money is still an advantage. Or if we're using the tower to build funds then I get to leave the tower sooner with that extra 4000G. Or putting funds aside completely then remember that bishop is not the only class in the game, therefore Artur/Moulder/Natasha won't be the only units wanting a body ring. ------------------- | |
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Duncan Idaho The Top General of The Atriedes Forces
Neolithic total posts: 6339 neopoints: 108 since: Dec 2007 |
Feb 29, 08 at 3:09am |
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Well thats the way that you play your game, and i play it to my way, for me the constitution is important to well, it lends me to use my favorite weapons, like Garm to heavy for ross or Garcia, a couple of rins and the garm gives you the full power, mainly i use the rings to abuse of Ivaldi, Excalibur and Gleipnir.
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Holy Warrior Eternal Damnation to Repentless Sinners!
s-e-e-k-e-r   total posts: 1575 since: Aug 2007 |
 Apr 06, 08 at 8:22pm |
quote Duncan Idaho quote Duncan Idaho quote Duncan Idaho quote Duncan Idaho quote Duncan Idaho quote Duncan Idaho quote Duncan IdahoAll of these statements makes your argument worthless. It has nothing to do with how anyone plays the game, because PEMN. The only "person" that really matters in debates is the Tier Player who plays the game perfectly (perfectly as in beating the game in the most efficient way) under all of the preset conditions, effectively destroying all bias. IP isn't saying he would never use a Body Ring on a Bishop in his game. What he is saying is that using a Body Ring on a Bishop is a negative to the entire team regardless of who does it. I'll reiterate the point, Personal Experience Means Nothing If you refuse to accept this point, all of your arguments will be based on it making them all null and void. Learn to debate please. [size=1][color=#666666]This message was edited by Holy Warrior on Apr 06 2008. ------------------- "Hey everyone, 2012 will be the end of the world!" Humans will never know when God will end the world, as we have no need to know. Regardless, we should live everyday like the apocalypse is a day away, and we do that by serving God. | |
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princeD123 Neo-newbie
total posts: 1 since: Apr 2008 |
Apr 20, 08 at 7:03am |
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My choice of promotions are:
Franz-Great Knight Gilliam-General Vannessa-Falcoknight Moulder-Bishop Ross-Fighter-Hero Garcia-Warrior Neimi-Sniper Colm-assasin Artur-Sage Lute-Mage Knight Natasha-Bishop Joshua-Swordmaster Kyle-Paladin Forde-Paladin Tana-Falcoknight Amelia-Knight-General Gerik-Ranger Cormag-Wyveryn Lord L'arachel-Valkyrie Ewan-Shaman-Druid Marisa-Swordmaster and Knoll-Summoner | |
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