i wonder what teh Turks receive ro what is in teh game for them, so that they still are very efecient and so loyal, i mean he is a Sick man, i have better thigns to do than follow him around, unless he as somehtign for me
or i am extremly stupid, wich might just be the case to follow the guy...

Some of my favorite quotes:

“…Nothing shall forestall my return.”
~ Genesis Rhapsodos

“I will… Never be a ememory.”
~ Sephirolth

I mean REALLY! Either they’re both crazy with the “I will never die” complex (I will shoot this idea down in a sec, just hold on) or it’s all very very true, because they’ve either proven that it’s possible or done it before. Sephiroth came back through Kadaj and the lifestream and so on. I think I even heard Vincent say something about creating more Sephiroths in FF AC somewhere. (…hey, now that I think about it, where’d Kadaj and the other remnants come from?) And as for Genesis, we all know through the Crisis Core ending, and the secret ending of DoC that he’s still very much alive.

But there is a problem here: Genesis, as revealed (slightly) in CC and moreso by FF VII Ultimania, as a good guy, sealing himself away for the protection of the planet. (This is of course assuming that you’re on the planet’s side. I mean, it’s really a matter of perspective.) BUT, as we all recall, Sephiroth is bent on destroying the planet and using it as a vessel. (Which I find hilarious, because he doesn’t have the unending cosmos knowledge of Jenova’s race, so I don’t know where he’d go.) So Sephiroth and Genesis would inevitably be enemies.


As far as the WRO is concerned, someone said it’s mentioned in AC. It’s not. It’s mentioned, and heavily involved with, DoC. Vincent works with Reeve on a couple WRO missions. Reeve did found it because he does care about the people. His Cait Sith thing still bugs me… I don’t know anything about the Turks being involved with WRO. The Turks are the Turks, and that’s that. They report to Rufus, as shown in AC. Shin-Ra and SOLDIER are both out of commission, as indicated by Reno’s comment at Healan Lodge: “Yeah Cloud, together we could rebuild Shin-Ra.” Why rebuild something that’s there? Well, I suppose he could be referring to a ‘former glory’ kind of thing. I would be comfortable with the assumption that Rufus is the one funding the WRO. It’s kept a secret because the name Shinra in FF VII universe could probably be equated to Hitler in our world, so the public really isn’t inclined to support any organization sporting the Shinra name.


And as for Turk loyalty, I’m pretty sure Reno and Rude don’t have much else better to do. I mean, you get to do the same job you did before (kind of) and still get most of the same access and equipment. Besides, they’re obligated. They became involved throughout the story. I mean, I personally can’t see them as the random people who had nothing to do with the major plot. They saw what happened, who did what, and what needed fixing. That, and they have a lot of Turk pride. Tseng is so far in it’s never coming out. I mean really, he was watching Aerith for years, failed to bring Zack back to her or even deliver a single one of her letters. He couldn’t save her at the temple of the Ancients and was in love with her (no really, and he spied ( you can find his camera in the sector 5 slums during the mini quest to make a flower wagon in CC). Elena is in love with Tseng, so she stays. They never really give women a decent motive -_-


As for what I think the next game should be about… Sephiroth is the bad guy, maybe not major though. But Genesis shouldn’t be the ‘good guy’, and by no means the main character. He’s going to be meddlesome, and very uncooperative. His interests are his own: to protect the planet (which is a little backwards to me, because he quotes: “The Planet has become my guardian.” Take from that what you will). I got the feeling from the end of the original game that the planet wasn’t their friend. There was a scene where everyone was watching as Midgar was being annihilated, and the thought of the rest of the world being destroyed came up as well. The dialog was something like: “What now?” “Dunno. That’s up to the planet to decide.” It’s like they went through all that physical and emotional pain, to save the people they love (and some they don’t love by extension) and to continue living, just to have all of this decided by the planet? Screw the planet! I mean, Shinra had no right to suck Lifestream for Mako energy or anything like that, but geez, the planet really sounded like the omnipotent god that really didn’t care. But then, that makes for a very difficult video game premise.

I would like to see Zack come back. In order to fight the dual evils of Genesis and Sephiroth Zack and Aerith must make an effort from beyond death to save the planet. It’s shown in the FF AC script that things on the Planet were affected through Aerith’s will (likely because she was of Cetra descent). I don’t know, personally I loved Zack, so I just want to see him THERE again. I guess the point of FFs is to take this nobody and make them epic. It wouldn’t work to take a bunch of epics and just beat a dead horse.

SO! Here enters the new heros: Denzel and Marlene. They’re suffering in the shadows of their predecessors, unsure of their own abilities in the face of such large expectations to fill, and such grand achievements to live up to. It’d be really fun, I like Denzel.

if rufus funds the WRO and changed his ways, how is that Deep Ground is still active in DoC?

quote Hman242

if rufus funds the WRO and changed his ways, how is that Deep Ground is still active in DoC?

GG's right, Rufus was never informed of DG because of the rapid pace of things.

Even if he knew, it probably wouldn't have kept him the ruthless Shin-Ra president he was.

i think Kadaj and his gang were formed trough Sephiroth's will to live trouhg the Lifestream, i am not certain on this

Um...okay?


Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo were created because of Sephiroth's REFUSAL to return to the LifeStream, but he didn't have enough Jenova cells to return as a whole, and split off into three people, taking on different parts of his personality to retrieve the last of the Jenova cells (Jenova's head), and recreate him.

as you said that i begin to imagin them fusing and becoming Sephiroth, even thoug i have seen Sephiroth
sry then and thnks for clearing that up for me

wonder what the name of the new FFVII will be.

We're due for an EC next.

I'm going to bet it's: Final Fantasy: Entirely Crap (sequelx5)...

quote Hell_Fire

We're due for an EC next.

I'm going to bet it's: Final Fantasy: Entirely Crap (sequelx5)...

quote willowlee

even if it was crap, i say people would still buy it.

yeah DoC want that great and had bead replay value.

quote Kerauac

As far as the WRO is concerned, someone said it’s mentioned in AC. It’s not. It’s mentioned, and heavily involved with, DoC. Vincent works with Reeve on a couple WRO missions. Reeve did found it because he does care about the people. His Cait Sith thing still bugs me… I don’t know anything about the Turks being involved with WRO. The Turks are the Turks, and that’s that. They report to Rufus, as shown in AC. Shin-Ra and SOLDIER are both out of commission, as indicated by Reno’s comment at Healan Lodge: “Yeah Cloud, together we could rebuild Shin-Ra.” Why rebuild something that’s there? Well, I suppose he could be referring to a ‘former glory’ kind of thing. I would be comfortable with the assumption that Rufus is the one funding the WRO. It’s kept a secret because the name Shinra in FF VII universe could probably be equated to Hitler in our world, so the public really isn’t inclined to support any organization sporting the Shinra name.

quote Kerauac

And as for Turk loyalty, I’m pretty sure Reno and Rude don’t have much else better to do. I mean, you get to do the same job you did before (kind of) and still get most of the same access and equipment. Besides, they’re obligated. They became involved throughout the story. I mean, I personally can’t see them as the random people who had nothing to do with the major plot. They saw what happened, who did what, and what needed fixing. That, and they have a lot of Turk pride. Tseng is so far in it’s never coming out. I mean really, he was watching Aerith for years, failed to bring Zack back to her or even deliver a single one of her letters. He couldn’t save her at the temple of the Ancients and was in love with her (no really, and he spied ( you can find his camera in the sector 5 slums during the mini quest to make a flower wagon in CC). Elena is in love with Tseng, so she stays. They never really give women a decent motive -_-

I just find it dull to think that they probably won't bring back Sephiroth. If they didn't, it would be lame. If they did, it would be lame too, seeing that they'd have to make up some lame excuse to bring him back.

Well, if Genesis has had a change of heart, he doesn't seem to be open about it in the secret ending to DoC.

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