I don't usualy use it

I don't really know what you guys are argueing about
Is it the history of the three kingdoms era?
Or the book the "romance of the three kingdoms"?
Or the game dynasty warriors?

If it's the history, then yes this three kingdoms era does exist. There is a book called "three kingdoms history"(I'm not sure about this name...because I've also heard "chronicle of three kingdoms") which was written shortly after the three kingdoms era. That was basically the historical facts and the chronicle of three kingdoms.

If it's the "romance of the three kingdoms", then right, the book is just a noval, not history. Many events are twisted or made up, and so as the characters. A poor example is the movie Titanic, there were a ship called Titanic and it sank, but all the events and characters in the movie weren't necessarily true.

If it's the game then, it's based on the "romance of the three kingdoms", so it's even further from the history.

And I hope this answered it...

This message was edited by Petersson on Sep 02 2006.

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written by Luó Guànzhōng in the 14th century, is a Chinese historical novel based upon events in the turbulent years near the end of the Han Dynasty, and the Three Kingdoms period (220-280).

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I'm not sure what evidance you want, do you want me to carbon date? because I'm not quite sure how to

You quoted the wrong thing smart guy...

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The Romance of the Three Kingdoms, a historical novel by Luo Guanzhong, was a romanticization of the events that occurred during the Three Kingdoms period. While staying true to history most of the time, the Romance of the Three Kingdoms inevitably gave Cao Cao a certain degree of dramatic make-up, in such a tone so as to suggest him as a cruel and suspicious character. On several occasions, Luo Guanzhong even made up fictional or semi-fictional events involving Cao Cao.

And...

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If it's the history, then yes this three kingdoms era does exist. There is a book called "three kingdoms history"(I'm not sure about this name...because I've also heard "chronicle of three kingdoms") which was written shortly after the three kingdoms era. That was basically the historical facts and the chronicle of three kingdoms.

If it's the "romance of the three kingdoms", then right, the book is just a noval, not history. Many events are twisted or made up, and so as the characters. A poor example is the movie Titanic, there were a ship called Titanic and it sank, but all the events and characters in the movie weren't necessarily true.

If it's the game then, it's based on the "romance of the three kingdoms", so it's even further from the history.

And I hope this answered it...

Yes, we are talking about the book. I know for a fact that the era did exist, but the sequences of the novel can be vaguely disproven in certain stances.

Wow I keep having to change my pick with all the facts lol,
Im going back to Lu Bu though,
my original theory of him beating both there asses easily

You asked me to find evidence that the era existed so I didn't ' quote the wrong thing '

Also even if it says Cao Cao has been changed, it doesn't say which bits have been, so you can't you that as prove that the Guan Yu head bit has Changed, you can say it might of, but cannot prove it.

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Well the three brothers do draw with Lu Bu, but if you read the book it is a draw as the first brother enters, and a draw as the last enters, furthermore, Zhang Fei gets drunk and lets Lu Bu kill all of the oath brothers family, of the three Guan Yu is the best as even when in death he kills Cao Cao

also my original statement was correct.

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The Romance of the Three Kingdoms, a historical novel by Luo Guanzhong, was a romanticization of the events that occurred during the Three Kingdoms period. While staying true to history most of the time, the Romance of the Three Kingdoms inevitably gave Cao Cao a certain degree of dramatic make-up, in such a tone so as to suggest him as a cruel and suspicious character. On several occasions, Luo Guanzhong even made up fictional or semi-fictional events involving Cao Cao.

+ these are two different texts you have put together in same quote bar! Infact in a wikapedia search for "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" there is no reference to Cao Cao so its not even in the same article.

Actually, I said find proof that the book wasn't entirely fictional, not that the era didn't exist. Learn the control group before you start an expiriment.

And actually, you said it yourself that your "fact" was wrong. For one, it's not reality that someone's "spirit" roams around and kills someone when they die. It's simple, why do you insist on correcting something that just about everyone on Neoseeker will tell you it's impossible.


I didn't put the same two texts together, you can read it yourelf.

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Unless they do carbon dating, your entire first proof to proving that the book itself wasn't fictional remains invalid. Let's see you get evidence saying it isn't true.

You put a full stop in there so I found evidence saying that the era happened

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Let's see you get evidence saying it isn't true.

also I didn't say it was fact, I said

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if you read the book it is a draw as the first brother enters, and a draw as the last enters, furthermore, Zhang Fei gets drunk and lets Lu Bu kill all of the oath brothers family, of the three Guan Yu is the best as even when in death he kills Cao Cao

you also said "You quoted the wrong thing smart guy..." , I apologise if when you asked for prof that the book existed i didn't type "Cao Cao" into wiki, I assumed you had taken a quote from the search "Romance of the three kingdoms"

which also means I haven't "quoted the wrong thing smart guy..." I have quoted from a source which back up my point, however you have a diffrent quote from a diffrent page that backs up your point, I'm not sure why I would quote yours!

And the full stop means? Seriously, that post virtually had nothing to do with what we were talking about.


That, wasn't even the post I was talking about. You said that Guan Yu killed Cao Cao, and a lot of people beleive so, kinda an easy assumption to make when your also claiming the same point of view.


Well now, if it had the name "Cao Cao" in it, then it should be around the general topic. If you didn't see such text in the subject, "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", then it's logical to search Cao Cao.

GRAMMA MEANS EVERYTHING! it changes the meaning of the sentance!



I have have also said that its impossiple to kill someone when dead, infact in the same post I said many people belived he did.

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You said that Guan Yu killed Cao Cao, and a lot of people beleive so, kinda an easy assumption to make when your also claiming the same point of view.

Obvously Guan Yu didn't kill either of them (because its impossible to kill people when you are dead)

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Obvously Guan Yu didn't kill either of them (because its impossible to kill people when you are dead)

however if your master has died after being sent Guan Yu's head you assume, and many people believed that Guan Yu killed both Lu Meng and Cao Cao

you asked me to search for prof that the book was true, why would i search for Cao Cao?

GRAMMA? Gramma? Hmm. maybe you should make it a little more clearer...


I said it was rumored, never once did I even let out a hint I thought it was true.


I asked you to search for professor that the book was not true? Anyways, regarding that, the point it can prove that the book isn't always true is that I pointed out he made Cao Cao to seem like an evil person, when infact he wasn't nothing more but an ambitous man like the rest of China.

Gramma changes everything, the best example of this is funny signs


No, you said I had the POV that it was true

you said

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Unless they do carbon dating, your entire first proof to proving that the book itself wasn't fictional remains invalid. Let's see you get evidence saying it isn't true.

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, the only thing that can't really be proven is that Luo Guanzhong didn't make the whole thing up. The book itself was actually taking for it's word, we can always say it was fake and get on with lives.

so I showed a source showing the book is based on fact.

It might not be 100% true, but I know of nothing that is!

Also do you have any evidance showing that

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In history, Guan Yu's head is sent to Cao Cao and it ircked the brain tumor he had, he later died because of the bad passing of his friend. Guan Yu didn't kill Cao Cao, emotions did.

This message was edited by bibbob on Sep 03 2006.

Hmm, well, gramma = grammar I'm guessing?

Anyways...

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When Cao Cao opened the box, he saw that Guan Yu looked as he did alive. Cao Cao smiled and said to Guan Yu's head, "I hope you are well since we last parted." To his horror, Guan Yu opened his mouth, and the long beard and hairs stood on their ends. Cao Cao fell to the floor and did not regain consciousness for a long time. When he did, he exclaimed, "General Guan is truly a god from heaven!" He then ordered the head be buried with honors accorded a noble.

Source

Let me comment though, as that is just a rumor that was spread around, seeing as his illness wasn't recorded. You said so yourself.

I'm not sure what you mean by that

Corecting misspelled word: Grammer lol
I guess this word is a big deal now that we have posted it about 20 times.

sorry, I spelt it like that when talking to friends, guess its become a habit