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Zero Melfice In the eyes of the beholder. Neolithic total posts: 6140 since: Apr 2005	Sep 02, 06 at 8:10pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	quote bibbob Zhang Fei was murdered by his own troops because he was an idiot. Also the Lu Bu incident was when he was inexperienced, no better way to learn than from your mistakes I say,if you throw a ball against a wall and it hits you in the face, you won't be doing that again but sisters, wife's etc are a little more than i'd like to lose to learn a lesson, also in the game he is made out to be the good guy so point of view has always been bit bias i suppose In the game they were all a bit biased, Cao Cao was not an evil person, and Liu Bei wasn't neccesarily the wimp he was made out to be. Zhang Fei wasn't really a drunk, and was quite smart as well. Inexperienced or not, Zhang Fei did something to make Lu Bu mad and he kicked him out. If Liu Bei was to really hold anyone responsible for that, he should have held Zhang Fei responsible. ------------------- quote Oasis All of the stars, are faded away. Try not to worry, you'll see them someday.
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bibbob Neophyte total posts: 33 since: Aug 2006	Sep 02, 06 at 9:59pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	quote In the game they were all a bit biased, Cao Cao was not an evil person, and Liu Bei wasn't neccesarily the wimp he was made out to be. Zhang Fei wasn't really a drunk, and was quite smart as well. Never said: 1.) Cao Cao was an evil person 2.) Lei Bei was a wimp 3.) Zhang fei was an alcoholic I also didn't mension the book nor the history, this is a Dynasty warriors forum, so I based my view on the game...
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Zero Melfice In the eyes of the beholder. Neolithic total posts: 6140 since: Apr 2005	Sep 02, 06 at 10:09pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	Can someone use examples around here? Gosh, I beleive you have something against me. =/ ------------------- quote Oasis All of the stars, are faded away. Try not to worry, you'll see them someday.
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bibbob Neophyte total posts: 33 since: Aug 2006	Sep 02, 06 at 10:38pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	Well they didn't really make sense. On another note, I think all of the warlords were a bit poor, but I want to change my answer to Sun Ce (if i can have him instead of Jian) (I still like shu the most )
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Zero Melfice In the eyes of the beholder. Neolithic total posts: 6140 since: Apr 2005	Sep 02, 06 at 11:04pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	How did they not make sense? It's nothing bad dude, honestly you have bad comprehension if you can't tell the difference between something like an example or something pointed towards you. ------------------- quote Oasis All of the stars, are faded away. Try not to worry, you'll see them someday.
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bibbob Neophyte total posts: 33 since: Aug 2006	Sep 02, 06 at 11:12pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	well the point of Zhange Fei not being an alcoholic has little important as its about the warlords
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Zero Melfice In the eyes of the beholder. Neolithic total posts: 6140 since: Apr 2005	Sep 02, 06 at 11:15pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	omg, I said something about Zhang Fei, I must be banned for going off-topic for showing an example!! Seriously, regarding it's about the warlords or just about anything else, an example can be given through all eyes. ------------------- quote Oasis All of the stars, are faded away. Try not to worry, you'll see them someday.
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bibbob Neophyte total posts: 33 since: Aug 2006	Sep 02, 06 at 11:41pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	I said little todo with warlords, I see what you ment, with Liu Bei trusting Zhang Fei, so it wasn't really off topic, but you didn't really explain it properly
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Petersson Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Aug 2006	Sep 02, 06 at 11:46pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	hey there everyone... why don't we calm down and talk about something fun... ok...so, as I said on the first page... I don't think Cao Cao is that good of a leader... does anyone thinks people should blame Dian Wei's death one him? ------------------- Cutie...
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bibbob Neophyte total posts: 33 since: Aug 2006	Sep 02, 06 at 11:54pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	I think he is a good leader, but Dain Wei's death was his fault, but everyone makes mistakes
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Petersson Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Aug 2006	Sep 02, 06 at 11:57pm re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	ok, then what about Xun Yu ------------------- Cutie...
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Zero Melfice In the eyes of the beholder. Neolithic total posts: 6140 since: Apr 2005	Sep 04, 06 at 3:13am re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	quote bibbob I said little todo with warlords, I see what you ment, with Liu Bei trusting Zhang Fei, so it wasn't really off topic, but you didn't really explain it properly Please tell me how it was not given or stated properly, you have yet to give any excuse as to why it was not stated properly. But yeah, Cao Cao was a good leader, and did mourn the loss of Dian Wei. Dian Wei was his bodygaurd, it was his natural duty to take care of Cao Cao and he did so. Cao Cao couldn't really help he was the bait in an assasination now could he? ------------------- quote Oasis All of the stars, are faded away. Try not to worry, you'll see them someday.
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Petersson Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Aug 2006	Sep 04, 06 at 4:03am re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	Well, in my opinion, he wasn't very responsible... Why did Zhang Xiu want to assassin him? Xiu just surrendered... The reason was that, Cao Cao slept with Xiu's brothers wife... By doing so, he had put his followers at risk. So in the end, this whole thing paid off on Dian Wei. And you can almost say that Cao Cao caused Dian Wei's death. ------------------- Cutie...
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Zero Melfice In the eyes of the beholder. Neolithic total posts: 6140 since: Apr 2005	Sep 04, 06 at 4:19am re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	In that view, you could say so, but either way possible none of it was intentional. Stuff happens, the same thing can happen with your gf, you may say something wrong and she gets pissed and breaks up with you, stuff happens, it's just a way to learn from your mistakes. ------------------- quote Oasis All of the stars, are faded away. Try not to worry, you'll see them someday.
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Petersson Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Aug 2006	Sep 04, 06 at 4:24am re: which was the greatest leader liu bei cao cao or sun jian
	sleeping with other people's wife did happened a lot with Cao's family well, what's your opinion on Xun Yu??? ------------------- Cutie...
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