quote cheater12349

quote lbt10

quote Marshal Loss

quote lbt10

Can there be a PKing one in multi? That'd be awesome.

Can you imagine the amount of bsing lol

Lol, now that I think of it I can name a few that might happen.

Apart from the load of bsing that would most likely happen... I support, sounds fun as hell

Yeh but it's impossible to do as a community. A lot of tension between people. However, yes, it will be extremely fun whipping through multi with like 30+ ppl

quote qwerty1291

can we get some new mods? pls

@lbt10

I suggest a "Neo-Wide" Clanwars event. It would be easier to organize (all levels could fight) and there would be less arguing and it'd be a fun time for everyone. [Item-loss or not] Could even have iron wars for fun

quote The Groove Master

@lbt10

I suggest a "Neo-Wide" Clanwars event. It would be easier to organize (all levels could fight) and there would be less arguing and it'd be a fun time for everyone. [Item-loss or not] Could even have iron wars for fun

Yeah, last time we did an iron wars event, it blew like a humpback whale. If someone does it, it needs to be organized very well, followed up upon, and participated in. If those three things happened, I think it would be really fun .

quote The Groove Master

@lbt10

I suggest a "Neo-Wide" Clanwars event. It would be easier to organize (all levels could fight) and there would be less arguing and it'd be a fun time for everyone. [Item-loss or not] Could even have iron wars for fun

I told you to bring up the vote on the funny quote not this.

Are you my mother?

quote e d g e r s

Hey dude welcmomeom to run the sacep foruims

Ashton would like to bring forth this again.

I will fight this till I die.

srsly that's 2 votes so farr

I am going to continue the discussion in this thread as I still feel there is much to be resolved.

quote HamsterMan

The moderators are not 100% viable for the actions taken by some snot nosed punks. It amazes me how people cannot go five days without having spasms and start trolling people until the moderators can get back from their busy lives to sort stuff out.

Also, whilst you're on the case of them being too busy - I'm damn sure I would prioritise my education and work over looking after a few kids.

They are not 100% liable for the actions of players, I agree. Sometimes it cannot be stopped and sometimes its a simple case of no moderators being online at the time. But thats the thing, its happening far too frequently to suggest that both mods have a problem with activity on one of Neoseekers most active and demanding forums. I would never expect one to focus on running this forum over their studies, but that doesnt make it ok. Please please please do not think I am suggesting ACY is a bad moderator, but I will take him as an example as I dont really know Soul well enough. Acy is very busy studying at university and at home as well as doing other activities that he enjoys. Unfortunately we do not get to see him play Runescape regularly but for a brief stint in Summer and possibly Christmas when he will have little to no studies. We've seen it for over a year now since he joined university, so logic suggests it would be best for him to demote himself down and let someone else who is more active to continue the job at hand. ACY is still a section moderator and will be available as and when needed.

quote Onilink

Oh, and Gribbz, honestly, stop trying to make the situation look as if it were our fault. HamsterMan has it spot on, sometimes we just don't have time to get online on Neoseeker to fix whatever problems come up. And even then, 90% of the time, it's because several people don't know when to shut their mouths. Consider this, is it our fault people don't have any self-control? (For the record, we've been banning people, just not making those bans public) If people had that, we wouldn't have such a hard time focusing on the community aspect of the forum and we could actually focus on our studies without having a mess in the forum and people jumping on us right off the bat when we do come online to fix matters.

In short, to those people who like to be trolls, grow up.

I really dont think that you understand just how bad the situation is around here, otherwise something would have been done by now. Maybe you guys arent entirely to blame, but you dont seem to be taking any responsibility, feedback or action against this. You have just admitted that you both are sometimes too busy to moderate and fair enough, but if thats the case then address the problem and get more help from either a third moderator or the super moderators whilst you are away. This all part of the job when you accepted a position as a moderator here, though. You cant control peoples' actions, no. But you are responsible for how this community is and, quite frankly, there is no community atm. Im glad to hear you have been banning people, but the same culprits do seems to be running around all of the time.

By now I just wish we'd have a better idea of who would become the next mod as talk of one has been going on for quite some time now.

Firstly, as we have said previously, we are looking for a new moderator and are very well aware of the need for one. That is honestly the case; we are looking. The problem comes in selecting said moderator. Many of the people I was considering as potential moderators suddenly show up retaliating against trolls. I'll name no names here, but it's very disheartening when you're trying to find the best people in the forum only to see your short-list disintegrate as people start to lose their temper and say things which a moderator cannot say.

Secondly, availability is not the only reason for my lack of appearance on RS and Neo. I won't bother detailing the other factors as they're of little importance to the members here (my activity is, the reasons aren't), suffice to say that the better you all act, the more effective I will become. It's not nice repeatedly coming home from Uni to find a mess to clear up and some people complaining that it hasn't been cleared up yet. I say with all honesty that if the genuine, mature members of this community seriously try to maintain a pleasant, welcome atmosphere, my passion will improve too. Think about it; would you be prepared to constantly defend people who can often be adding to the problems themselves? It's also far easier to deal with one or two trolls than two trolls, three retaliating members and a dozen spam posts thrown in.

Gribbz, as long as you don't make it personal (which you haven't), I have no problems with you voicing your opinion of my moderating. Everyone else needn't be concerned with trying to defend me; I'm the one best placed for that role if need be, although I do kindly appreciate what some people have said.


Now then, I'd like to address the troll problem from my perspective and give you all a little view through my eyes.

Whether it's because I've been moderating for over three years now, because I've been exposed to offensive language for longer than that, or because of my outlook on life, I do not take offence to things. Simply put; none of the 'offensive' remarks made in this forum or CC have any effect on me. That's not to say that I find it acceptable or do not recognise such comments, far from it, but I do find it difficult to understand why people lash out so much. Often it has been the case that PersonA will say something which could be taken as mildly offensive, PersonB responds to them either blindly provoking them or otherwise adding fuel, PersonA then comes back with another jab, and I receive a screenshot from PersonB demanding that Person A be permanently banned from the chat.

Why are you so quick to demand we banish someone else, rule-breaker or not, when you've hardly been the model member yourself? If you hadn't responded to them, they may not have replied again, in which case the situation would blow over without a single issue. But some members of this forum expect to be wrapped in cotton-wool, and at the slightest provocation will call in the moderators for action. I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush, nor am I expecting everyone to be perfect, but some of you seriously need to think before you reply. You may not be the troll yourself, but it's very easy to become part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

Also, as a life lesson to some of you (yes, I'm talking RL), try not to take things to heart so easily. Some people will make offensive comments, and if severe enough or repeated, that will lead to punishment, but regardless of that it helps if you can choose to simply ignore it. As I said above, there are extremely few things which would personally offend me, so if you can act the same way (i.e. not retaliate or over-react) the atmosphere won't drop so dramatically and it will be easier for the moderators to deal with the real troublemakers instead of the would-be victims. The ideal situation when a troll appears would be for everyone to ignore their offensive messages; that way their efforts are useless.

Now, regarding myself as a moderator. It could well be that my steel skin (I am NOT a robot) has made it so I don't see trolls in as bad a light as others would, but that doesn't mean I don't recognise when it occurs. Those who purposely try to break this community are noticed and are warned or banned in due course. Some people may think that course takes too long, and you may be right. But don't think we ignore these problems or brush them under the rug; we do care and we want this community to be as good as it can be. The best that everyone else can do is simply enjoy the community, enjoy interacting with other members in the CC, and simply don't react when trolls or flamers appear. Use your ignore list if you have to, or simply learn to not reply.

Throughout this post it may seem like I'm throwing all the responsibility on the regular members here and acting as if I'm not responsible. I do not mean that at all; I accept a great deal of responsibility and even fault for how things are. I understand completely that I've not been as effective or active as I should be, and I fully understand what I should be doing here. But I ask that the community tries to hold itself together rather than almost exclusively depending on the moderators. We have our roles, and whether we're doing them correctly or not is up to you to decide, but it would be great if you'd work with us on rebuilding this community.

Just putting this out there: Setting a precedent does work, believe it or not.

quote ACY3

I'll name no names here, but it's very disheartening when you're trying to find the best people in the forum only to see your short-list disintegrate as people start to lose their temper and say things which a moderator cannot say.

Many people do have the maturity to become a mod, but would rather not membrate and act as if they were a moderator when they aren't. There is a difference between sarcasm and trolling - one which has evolved as the clan chat matures. But its hard to judge without knowing first hand. Making a judgement on text without context in the neoseeker runescape community is akin to calling someone a racist because they said 'black'.

quote ACY3

Suffice to say that the better you all act, the more effective I will become. It's not nice repeatedly coming home from Uni to find a mess to clear up and some people complaining that it hasn't been cleared up yet.

And I have two arms, two legs and a heart which pumps blood.

quote ACY3

(I am NOT a robot)

Quoted for emphasis.

This message was edited by Neonite on Dec 14 2009.

We attempted colour schemes in character threads and it never really took off. I dont really see much point to it.

I think he means the main forum.

Anyway, as for color schemes for the forum, I do think they'd be a nice addition to make the forum look neater, in my opinion. Everyone has their own tastes, so they'd have the option of choosing a custom color scheme or just leaving it the basic blue color scheme.

It's like the Loungin' forum. (As an exmaple) Loungin' has several themes/color schemes to choose from and it does give the forum its own personal "feel" to it. That would be nice for the Neo RS forum, as well.

I support neon ^^ , i would also like to see neo have more colors then just 1 plain color :'(. slayer color sounds nice maybe herblore?