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Oct 25, 08 at 2:43am
Hypothetical Question

I was thinking, what if something used mean look to prevent switch outs, then used taunt on something that doesn't have any attack moves?

I thought maybe I could use this on a wobbuffet, then I thought, nah, counter and light screen probably count as attacks.

and I think that if you've been taunted, the game won't let you use non-attack moves and just warns you when you click one.

so, I know it's highly unlikely, but could this happen? if you couldn't complete your turn, what happens?

I know that things like metapod and cascoon etc. sometimes only have harden, so I know this scenario is not impossible, just highly improbable.


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Oct 25, 08 at 2:46am
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You could try it with a wild Wobb if you want.

That way you'll be able to figure out what happens if you use those two moves.


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It works. Believe me, I tried it. But some battles don't count it because it's an automatic kill, but IF the other poke can survive



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Oct 25, 08 at 2:49am
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@pikadance: but what if the game is faced with a paradox and craps out? you try it.



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Oct 25, 08 at 2:53am
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quote KYOOBIKLEEZ
@pikadance: but what if the game is faced with a paradox and craps out? you try it.

It's your question.


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Oct 25, 08 at 2:59am
re: Hypothetical Question

quote Regirage
It works. Believe me, I tried it. But some battles don't count it because it's an automatic kill, but IF the other poke can survive
What do you mean? Laymen's terms for the nub (me) plz


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Oct 25, 08 at 3:07am
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What I'm trying to say is, if you used Scary Face, then Taunt, the guy will just use Struggle.



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Oct 25, 08 at 3:43am
re: Hypothetical Question

If your Pokemon were to have full support moves and was taunted, it can only use Struggle. If a Choice user runs out of PP of the move it's using, it uses Struggle, too. If you get hit by Torment and your only move is the one that got hit by it, it should force a Struggle.
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Oct 25, 08 at 3:49am
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That being said, I believe both Counter and Mirror Coat count as attacks, so even when Taunted Wobb would still be able to use both of those.



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Oct 25, 08 at 3:52am
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quote Zarathustra
That being said, I believe both Counter and Mirror Coat count as attacks, so even when Taunted Wobb would still be able to use both of those.
Ehh, I don't think so, Zar. Will look into this a bit. edit: I'm wrong, good call.

More funfacts: Struggle isn't physical or special based. :S
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Oct 25, 08 at 6:35am
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Struggle is messed up. It hits everything neutral. ??? type tbh.



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Oct 26, 08 at 2:37am
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OK I get it now, thanks for the info guys

Does anyone know how much power struggle has?



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Oct 26, 08 at 4:49am
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I think it's base 50 or something, though I'm thoroughly confused as to how it's damage is calculated if it's not physical or special. =S

Losing 1/4 of your max hp ftl. Too bad it was necessary to prevent those never-ending struggle wars between walls.


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Oct 26, 08 at 5:31am
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I always thought that struggle was physical (it deals damage based on atk anyway), since a Garchomp's struggle does far more than a Wob's. Not sure how the defense thing works though.
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Struggle isn't based off either. orez and I tested this in randoms, I ended up with Wobb, I Encored him, he got locked into a move with no PP, I used Counter (his move was physical), and it didn't do anything. Mirror Coat didn't, either.

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