Hi, Everyone, Im Kent and Ive been playing Onimusha 3 and dawn of dreams lately. I found out that Im confusing of the Soki's oni form and the Oni gauntlet.

Actually do Soki wearing an Oni Gauntlet? Its seems that from the previous gameplay, he does not wearing the gauntlet but how come at the end when fighting with this final boss, Soki is wearing the gauntlet?

I just wondering, Soki having 2 forms of Oni transformation,1 is the previous oni transformation seen in every fight and the other is the form where Soki transform into that we can see from the cutscene that Soki fought battle with Fortinbras, what things contribute or enable him / Soki to transform into this ultimate Oni form? is it the oni gauntlet / oni orb that he get from Gargant after killing him?

Hope that someone can help me resolve this...opinions,discussions are highly appreciates.

Hey, welcome to the forum

Soki does indeed wear the Oni Gauntlet during the final fight with Fortinbras - in the cutscene you see Tenkai, the original Gauntlet owner (Samanosuke from Oni 3 and Oni 1) giving the gauntlet to Soki. So, thats why he was one during the last fight.

Ya, Soki has two different Oni transformations. However this is not that strange since all the Oni warriors (Samanosuke, Jubei Yagyu from Oni 2, and Soki) have all had 2 different transformations, and Jaques, Jubei Akane, Tenkai, Roberto, and Ohatsu all have one.
Each of them has the standard transformation: They become temporarily invincible, their hair turns white, and they can use attacks far more powerful than regular ones. Then it wears off and they go back to normal. This one is easy to obtain by absorbing Oni souls.

Then, our main characters, Samanosuke, Jubei, and Soki all have what is called a True Onimusha transformation: This is when they turn into an Onimusha without time limit, and it is far more powerful than the other form. Ex:
Samanosuke becomes a true Onimusha during the fight with Nobunaga in Oni 3, and also against Fortinbras in Oni 1 through the Gauntlet's powers.
Jubei becomes one by invoking the 5 sacred Orbs vs The Golden Evil Statue.
Soki becomes one against Fortinbras, using the Gauntlet and also borrowing everyone's power, including Nobunaga's.
In this state their hair turns white and grows longer, their skin turns pale, their eyes glow red, their regular weapons and armors are of no use, and they gain more power -they can still be damaged by the enemy though.

Hope that helps

Have you played Onimusha 1 and 2?

Hi, thank you for welcoming me to the forum.

So you meant that every Oni warriors having 2 different form (Standard form and True Oni form) except Jaques, Jubei Akane, Tenkai, Roberto, and Ohatsu right? But it is quite confusing between these 2 forms....

I havent played Onimusha 1 and 2 before because I cant bought it here and all ran out of stocks, so i just played Onimusha 3 and dawn of dreams. So you mean that in standard form, mostly are when we playing, he/she absorbs souls and transform into Oni? and the other form is what we rarely can transform into right, except in the last battle?

But actually what leads them to transform into True Oni Form? And their regular weapons and armor are no use, then what will the weapons and armors being replaced?

Welcome to the Oni forums Kent!

Indeed, Castleguard is 100% correct.

Most characters in the series experience Oni transformations, they absorb a certain amount of souls (Usually purple in colour) and are then able to transform (whether it be a powered up version of their normal, human version, or a small change in appearance ETC).

But then there are the 'BIG 3', the main characters of the series: Samanosuke Akechi, Jubei Yagyu Sr and Soki.

Samanosuke Akechi was human until an ancient breed of Oni spirits called 'The Ogres' granted him the gauntlet to prevent Nobunaga from rising as the ultimate Genma ruler. During a battle with Fortinbras (Nobunaga's superior and the God of the Genma), Samanosuke is stabbed through the chest and blood drips from his mouth into the open gauntlet- this powers the gauntlet, whether it is because it is human blood mixed with Oni magic or because the Ogres want to give him some more power it is unknown. But this allows Sam to transform into a true onimusha, with long white hair and a new sword with which he slays Fortinbras with ease. I belive the spillage of blood to have acted as a sort of sped-up version of the ritual process needed to awaken true Onimusha form.

Jubei simply uses the 5 Sacred Oni orbs which allow him temporary ultimate Onimusha transformation- he has long white hair, strange talons and an awesome cannon on his arm, instead of a sword. Jubei is a progidal son of the Oni, as shown by the mark on his hand that reacts with all the Oni orbs. Unlike Samanosuke, Jubei is a direct descendant of an Oni.

Now Soki is a whole different matter, after all he is the reincarnated God of Oni in a human body. When he faces the true form of Fortinbras at the end of Dawn of Dreams, all his friends lend him their Oni power, and Tenkai also gives the dark powers of the sealed Genma lord, Nobunaga, to Soki via the gauntlet. Soki, using this gauntlet and the powers, transforms into the ultimate Oni God- basically!

When he goes through the trail in the Oni maze, he awakens his oni spirit- becoming a true Onimusha!!! Samanosuke (or Jaques?) also goes through this process, only they need to complete the trial to access to Oni Army Orb.

Hope that clears things up- 3 main characters that are true Onimusha, although technically that could be argued eh Castleguard?

Yes'm, well done - I would support those explanations fully

Basically all the main characters do have a true Onimusha form, and your right Kent, they only happen at the end of the game. Except, Jaques never becomes an True Oni.

The regular Oni powers occur throughout the game when you have enough souls and you press R3/and/or L3. This one is fairly routine, whereas the true Oni form only results from extreme circumstances

Nice question, btw - good to have actual discussions rather than just the standard 'help im stuck at mont-seint-michele and i a'm alergic to details'

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Samanosuke Akechi was human until an ancient breed of Oni spirits called 'The Ogres' granted him the gauntlet to prevent Nobunaga from rising as the ultimate Genma ruler. During a battle with Fortinbras (Nobunaga's superior and the God of the Genma), Samanosuke is stabbed through the chest and blood drips from his mouth into the open gauntlet- this powers the gauntlet, whether it is because it is human blood mixed with Oni magic or because the Ogres want to give him some more power it is unknown. But this allows Sam to transform into a true onimusha, with long white hair and a new sword with which he slays Fortinbras with ease. I belive the spillage of blood to have acted as a sort of sped-up version of the ritual process needed to awaken true Onimusha form.

Jubei simply uses the 5 Sacred Oni orbs which allow him temporary ultimate Onimusha transformation- he has long white hair, strange talons and an awesome cannon on his arm, instead of a sword. Jubei is a progidal son of the Oni, as shown by the mark on his hand that reacts with all the Oni orbs. Unlike Samanosuke, Jubei is a direct descendant of an Oni.

Now Soki is a whole different matter, after all he is the reincarnated God of Oni in a human body. When he faces the true form of Fortinbras at the end of Dawn of Dreams, all his friends lend him their Oni power, and Tenkai also gives the dark powers of the sealed Genma lord, Nobunaga, to Soki via the gauntlet. Soki, using this gauntlet and the powers, transforms into the ultimate Oni God- basically!

When he goes through the trail in the Oni maze, he awakens his oni spirit- becoming a true Onimusha!!! Samanosuke (or Jaques?) also goes through this process, only they need to complete the trial to access to Oni Army Orb.

Hope that clears things up- 3 main characters that are true Onimusha, although technically that could be argued eh Castleguard?

Hi, Thank you for the warmest welcome. So I have read thruogh these long explanation that you've wrote. They are clear enough.. =) So basically from all these, there are many circumstances that lead them to become a true onimusha just by the matter of the will of themselves and their powers combining with the oni powers right? This is what I have understand, correct me if Im wrong.

But what is a Oni maze? and what does this mean "they need to complete the trial to access to Oni Army Orb."? Thank you in advance for the last clarification.

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Oh I see...Thank you mate.

I actually much prefer to peacefully discuss things in games, it expands knowedge and opinions! I don't mind giving help either- i just prefer to go deeper and either write an entire guide! (whether to a certain stage of a game or the whole game!)

In regard to your question Kent, the Oni maze is a place of high power amongst the Oni... although it is kind of forbidden and mysterious! Even to the Oni!

The maze is a place where Oni, that have been corrupted by Genma/evil, go when they die. So they basically become fallen angels.

In Onimusha 3, you travel there to obtain the Oni Army Orb. And in Dawn of Dreams, Soki goes through the Oni gate in order to awaken the true Onimusha within him- so that he may cure Ohatsu of the Insect-infection that Munenori placed in her.

So the oni maze is basically a Temple sealed away behind a door, and Oni's can attempt a trial to awaken their true Oni potential. Needless to say- many fail. Y'see there is a time limit on the trial, and the gate seals forever after that limit. Soki was an exception. He is the God of the Oni reborn. He was locked inside and was able to break the door down.

An example of a fallen Oni- Gargant. He is the guardian of the gate (on the inside) and prevents those who attempt the trial from escaping the maze! Does a good job of it too!

Dantess, glad that I found a guy like you that can give details explanations and clearify it for me. I do really like Onimusha's story and also the true oni form of Soki amaze me, that's why I came here for finding useful information.

So Oni maza is a dark realm/phantom realm? Where Oni warriors have to fought until the highest level to awaken the true oni form?

I hate Garant, it looks ugly and not a good warrior.

Ohya, bro, I found a quote from Wikipedia about Soki, is it true? Or it is another version of the awakening of his true oni form?

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Samanosuke was spirited away by the Oni following the death of his alternate self at the hands of Nobunaga. By combining the gauntlet of his alternate self from the other timeline, he was able to become another Onimusha with a gauntlet on each of his hands and absorbed souls through an orb on his chest. In the fourth game, it is revealed that Soki, unlike the other Onimusha, was a reincarnation of the God of Darkness. Hence his title "Black Oni". In order for him to achieve his Ultimate Onimusha Mode, he awakened the sealed power of Nobunaga, the deceased Genma Lord’s power which was held within Tenkai's Oni Gauntlet. In his Onimusha Mode, Soki wears shining armor with dark colors beneath it while flying in combat and wielding two broadswords to attack Fortinbras.

From what I read here, it just saying that Soki use combined power of Dark Oni with the power of Genma Lord Nobunaga to awaken his true oni form but it just doesnt says that Jacques and Samanosuke gives their powers to Soki....

Hope you dont mind if Im asking some newbie's questions.

Sorry got a typing error. Is Gargant not Garant.

Ohya, actually what is an Oni Clan? Are they Oni Gods who formed it? But then who actually is Oni Gods?

And what is Ogre?

Below are the screenshots I found, need some answer from you, Dantess.

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k338/Styxane/onimusha_0109_790screen019.jpg
Who is this Oni talking to Samanosuke? Some told me that is Ogre? Some said is Oni Gods...

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k338/Styxane/927507_20060127_790screen011.jpg
Lastly, I know this is Soki with his normal Oni form but he is using Lamentation or Requiem Sword? I've never seen requiem sword before.

Wow thanks Kent, you have given me alot to think about!

Well, firstly, that quote is taken from Onimusha 3. As you know it is all about time travel, and Samanosuke's past self meets with his present self! (Time travel is percieved differently in different books, movies and games and is very difficult to explain, although i can help you with that matter of 'time travel' if you wish!)
I am guessing at that point Samanosuke takes his 'other self's' gauntlet and combines it with his own, tapping into unknown potential, and perhaps doubling his power granted by the Ogres in Onimusha Warlords.

That brings us to the matter of the Clan of Orgres. The Ogre's are an almighty gathering of powerful spirits that were defeated by the Genma in the past. And they take the opportunity of Samanouske's rebellion against the Genma to grant him their thirst for Genma souls. In a way i suppose they are Oni Gods from ancient times, but keep in mind there is only one true god, and that used Soki as a vessell in Dawn of Dreams. Soki has the power of the God of Darkness, and Fortinbras has the power of Light (strange really, when most games have a warrior of light as the main character, and a tyrant of darkness as the villain. But awesome all the same!)

The Ogres perhaps served the Oni God of Darkness. And yes that picture is of Samanosuke, when he is defeated by Ozric (a massive Genma giant), and that face is of the leader of the Ogres who grants Samanosuke the Oni gauntlet. Similar events take place in Oni3 when Jaques is given the gauntlet and Ako by an ancient Oni spirit (perhaps another kind of Ogre).

I think Castleguard will have something to say about your dislike of Gargant

And of course- the Oni maze. It takes the appearance of a Japanese temple with many rooms filled with Genma and different colour locks and puzzles ETC. The puzzle is quite unique in that you have to look at shelves that each represent a room, and one shelf has a candle on it- that is the room that allows access to the next floor. And in the end you must face Gargant, who is now charged with the task of guarding the exit to the maze! The place is sacred to Oni, and only the True Onimusha could rise and complete the trial- Soki, being a God, was able to overcome it.

That picture is of Soki in Oni mode holding Lementation, a sword given to him by his mother when he was a child. The sword on his back is called Requiem- which you only get to use later in the game. Soki rarely uses both at the same time.

Hope that clears things up a bit, but feel free to ask on anything you arent sure about!

Haha, I'll wait for Castle guard to say bout the Gargant.

Wow, a very much thank you to you, Dantess. You have cleared a lot of my problems by giving such useful information to me. Right now, I temporary do not have any questions yet, maybe late when I found when re-playing the games, I will pm you again, if you dont mind. Or maybe I will post a new thread in this forum.

Ohya, Dantess and Castleguard, I have a minor favor but do not know whether can you all please help me. I wanted to find a few pictures/ images of Soki's True Onimusha but I have googled all but cant find any. I do also using fraps to capture the cutscenes where has the Soki's true onimusha but the images were too compressed and not good.

So what I hope that is hope you all can help me on the images, can you all please?

Here's I have 3 images I captured using fraps from cutscenes: (I just hope that I can have these 3 images with nice quality, not too compressed and nice when printed out)

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k338/Styxane/ShowTime2009-07-2411-38-02-18.jpg
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k338/Styxane/ShowTime2009-07-2411-50-51-15.jpg
i324.photobucket.com/albums/k338/Styxane/ShowTime2009-07-2411-50-45-65.jpg

Ha, well Gargant is one of the most interesting characters in all of Onimusha. He happened to kill one of my favorite characters however, so obviously I do not suffer him lightly

If you're wondering, Gargant killed the woman Tenkai was in love with. After Minokichi dies, and they go to the Akechi tomb, Tenkai makes reference to her - her name is Kaede, a female ninja who only appeared in Oni 1.

Oh, and I'd like to take this opportunity to mention that in the Oni maze, the DoD one, when I first did it I didnt find out about the candle-lit answers, so I basically ran around and tried the time folds purely on instinct. I was able to get all 4 of them in a row without missing any I wonder if Im descended from the Oni

So you're looking for printable images eh? I'll take a look around and post em here if I find anything

Haizz, too sad I cant play Oni1, there isnt any left in our state I think, I have find it at many places but none for me.

Well, Castle guard, I dislike Gargant is because of his physical looking, quite ugly but I do think he is powerful.

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Oh, and I'd like to take this opportunity to mention that in the Oni maze, the DoD one, when I first did it I didnt find out about the candle-lit answers, so I basically ran around and tried the time folds purely on instinct. I was able to get all 4 of them in a row without missing any I wonder if Im descended from the Oni

Haha, this one I do not know, maybe you are good in this game or maybe you are descended from the Oni

Yeah, Im looking for printable images, but hopefully is from the 3 images i shown in previous thread. I just like Soki's True On, quite uniquely the armor.

Ah well after a very difficult toil, I have uploaded 4 images into my gallery - they're the 4 most recent ones. Unfortunately they're basically just screen shots like yours, but a bit clearer so they might be good
One is a wallpaper and has a pretty good shot of True Oni Soki, but sadly its mostly blacked out

Anyway go ahead and take a look at the ones I got. Hopefully one of em will meet your approval

Haha....they are nice castleguard but a little blurry.

But do you have this image? Clearer's ones?
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k338/Styxane/ShowTime2009-07-2411-38-02-18.jpg

Printable version.