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Johnny G King of Oldies Permanently Plugged In total posts: 13054 since: Jan 2002	Feb 06, 07 at 5:09am Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	SPOILERS DO NOT READ THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE COMPLETED EPISODE 4! I have a question about Von Karma's motives in Episode 4. Why did he want to kill Hammond and frame Edgeworth? I can understand why Yanni Yogi would have a motive to execute the plan, but why would Von Karma want to suggest it in the first place? I mean think about it... he has no grudge against Miles Edgeworth; if he did, why would he have had Miles as his pupil? Moreover, he doesn't have any grudge against Hammond (at least not stated in the game). He also was not present for the DL-6 trial as he was off healing his injury. So technically speaking, he has no reason to want to go ahead with this plan. The statute of limitations on DL-6 was about to run out - if Von Karma was the culprit (which he was) and no one suspected him, why not just let it run out? He'd have been totally free of the thing. Why bring it up on the day it runs out, trying to pin it on someone else? Either I missed a major detail somewhere, or this is a plothole. Don't misunderstand, I thought the story twist was well done... it's just it feels strange, if he had no motive to do this. -------------------
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Oni s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1838 since: Feb 2003	Feb 06, 07 at 12:06pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	Yogi held a grudge against Miles (thinking he was the cause of the murder and the ruining of his life) and Hammond (since as a defense attorney he made him feign insanity, thereby ruining his life). von Karma only played on this as a way for him to tie up loose ends. A von Karma strives to be perfect afterall, and I guess he had to do this before the statue of limitations ran out. To feel... complete, I supppose... Hmm... now you've got me thinking... ------------------- 鬼
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Foamy_The_Squirrel s-e-e-k-e-r since: Oct 2005	Feb 06, 07 at 4:57pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	Yeah, there is a plot. I just haven't played PW:AA in ages so I kinda forgot what it felt like to wonder about the plot. All I know is that it's great <3 I should play this game again. I dunno, but try looking through a walkthrough. It might give you the info you need. Dunno. -------------------
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screamingabdabs Isolation Years Still Seekin' total posts: 3623 since: Aug 2006	Feb 10, 07 at 5:48pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	I Think it was because Von karma lost to Gregory in a trial and so he shot gregory. Then Yogi wanted to kill hammond and Von karma helped because he wanted to frame Edgey as the murderer so he wouldn't be be arrested and he would get Edgey to cough up about DL-6, then he could make sure that there was no more Edgeworth's around, lol. I Can't remember, due to not playing pw for ages. ------------------- Thanks to Verdant_Abyss, haven't used this for ages!
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Comic man What a twist! Resident Neo total posts: 3000 neopoints: 129 since: Jun 2005	Feb 19, 07 at 4:11pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	quote Think it was because Von karma lost to Gregory in a trial and so he shot gregory. Isn't that enough revenge? Well, since von karmas need to be "perfect" and all, maybe he wanted away with all of the Edgeworth family. Maybe that's it. /: And about Hammond, I remember there was a reason somewhere in the game, but I totally forgot about it. ------------------- Current comic: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
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screamingabdabs Isolation Years Still Seekin' total posts: 3623 since: Aug 2006	Feb 28, 07 at 8:48pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	Not really, Von Karma is to mad to think thAat's to bad. I'm replaying E4 soon anyway. ------------------- Thanks to Verdant_Abyss, haven't used this for ages!
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harvest_moon_gal7 newseeker total posts: 12 since: Mar 2006	Mar 14, 07 at 1:05am re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	von Karma got shot by Edgeworth, remember? so von Karma was angry at him, not only because his father damaged his perfect record, but also since edgeworth caused him to take a vaction, a long one, also hurting his record. ok thats the easy part. this gets a little trickyer. this is what i believe, so dont get angry if im wrong. so, yogi is mad at hammond, right? so there gives yogi a motive. he then tried to frame edgeworth by meeting him on the boat. he was able to frame edgeworth, making it so yogi wouldnt b suspected. von Karma had Yogi do it, so if yogi was caught, he wouldnt b blamed (he didnt sign the letter, remember?). there is that, now 4 the dl-6 part. also, this is all i believe, so dont blame me. somehow, von Karma knew edgeworth would blame himself, so he set his arguments up that way. im not 100% sure about this part, but im replaying the episode already, so ill find out soon.
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screamingabdabs Isolation Years Still Seekin' total posts: 3623 since: Aug 2006	Apr 04, 07 at 9:50pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	Yogi wanted to frame Edgeworth because everyone one made out it was Yogi who killed Gregory, and he knew he had not done it, so he blamed edgey cos' he was the only other one on the elevator and he had to go in hiding becuase he was the suspect. ------------------- Thanks to Verdant_Abyss, haven't used this for ages!
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rinoa_leonheart s-e-e-k-e-r since: Feb 2002	Apr 05, 07 at 5:50am re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	quote Johnny_G I have a question about Von Karma's motives in Episode 4. Why did he want to kill Hammond and frame Edgeworth? I can understand why Yanni Yogi would have a motive to execute the plan, but why would Von Karma want to suggest it in the first place? I mean think about it... he has no grudge against Miles Edgeworth; if he did, why would he have had Miles as his pupil? Moreover, he doesn't have any grudge against Hammond (at least not stated in the game). He also was not present for the DL-6 trial as he was off healing his injury. So technically speaking, he has no reason to want to go ahead with this plan. The statute of limitations on DL-6 was about to run out - if Von Karma was the culprit (which he was) and no one suspected him, why not just let it run out? He'd have been totally free of the thing. Why bring it up on the day it runs out, trying to pin it on someone else? Either I missed a major detail somewhere, or this is a plothole. Don't misunderstand, I thought the story twist was well done... it's just it feels strange, if he had no motive to do this. I thought it was because Karma held a massive grudge for edgeworth's father objection and accusation to Karma in a old case where it ruined Karma's perfect record. When the earthquake took place karma was by the elevator and was shot in the arm by edgeworth who passed out not knowing what happened then to Karma's surprise when the power was back on and the elevator doors opened there was edgeworth's father with a gun on the floor so he took revenge and later used what happened with the other guy in the elevator who was accused to try and kill edgeworth for ruining his life so framed them booth... blah its taking to long to explain.. you get the idea.. I hope.. -------------------
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Salaskan Neo-newbie total posts: 5 since: Apr 2007	Apr 08, 07 at 8:58pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	Von Karma probably wanted to frame Edgeworth as a revenge for when Edgeworth accidentally shot Von Karma at the DL-6 murder while throwing the gun at Yogi (which was the reason why Von Karma went inside, took the gun and killed Gregory Edgeworth). By the way, Gregory did not make Von Karma lose a case, in fact he won it, he just proved Von Karma had used falsified evidence, leaving a stitch on his perfect record.
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kittypaw89 newseeker total posts: 14 since: Dec 2007	Dec 07, 07 at 1:25am re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	Its cause he was mad at Gregory edgeworth. he shot him, but apparantly that wasnt enough for him, so he blamed it on Miles.
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rainydays Neo-newbie total posts: 3 since: Dec 2007	Dec 31, 07 at 11:01pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	hmm if Von Karma had a grudge against edgeworth, why did he become his mentor?
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leonkenedyfangirl Neophyte total posts: 28 since: Mar 2008	Mar 28, 08 at 8:44pm re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	listen this is sweet and simple gregory told to the court about how he forges evidence wich hurt his reputation so he's taking it out on the son a.k.a. miles edgewroth ------------------- W.W.K.D. What Would KIRA Do? ... What's your name again?
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ArtGirl Irrefrangible member: postin' posse since: May 2008	May 30, 08 at 10:22am re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	It's all very complicated sometimes... well, I've played this case about 5 times so it's not very complicated to me now... OK, I'm just being random. But I think it's got a good story to it.
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Marooned Chic Still Seekin' total posts: 3402 neopoints: 446 GameGrep pts: 483 since: May 2008	Jun 26, 08 at 4:53am re: Von Karma Question [Episode 4]
	I also think that maybe Von Karma wanted to get a revenge from Edgeworth. ------------------- "Do you wanna run away together?"
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