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 George SearsHooked on Neo
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 Jun 30, 05 at 2:37am |
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This is an FAQ of most of the tough questions in MGS. Enjoy!
Table of Contents 1.How the Snake brothers are affected by their genes. 2. The Patriots and the S3 plan+ extra notes 3. Vamp 4. Meryl 5. Solidus 6. Revolver Ocelot 7. Liquid 8. MGS4 ------------ 1. What's with Snake and his brother's genes? Well this isn't a fact, but here's the most logical reasoning. Solid Snake: Solid recieved the dominant solider genes. These are actually the inferior genes. He is inferior to Liquid on the genetic level. Liquid Snake: He recieved the reccesive soldier like genes. These in turn turned out to be the superior genes. He is superior to Solidus and Snake on the genetic level. Solidus Snake: Solidus is like the balance of the Snake scale. He recieved an equal amount of dominant and recessive genes. He is essentially a well balanced masterpiece. 1a. What's up with Solidus's old look? Well, you must know that all three Snake's suffer from accelerated aging. And Solidus does not get it "the worst". It is spread equally through the Snakes. Solidus suffered from accelerated aging first. 2. Who are the Patriot's? No one knows for sure who the patriots really are. All key decisions made throughout the secret organization are made by 12 men. The Wisemen's Commitee. The patriot's control all of the politcal, economical and military decisions made in the US. They are the true rulers of our country. And remember the Patriot's cannot "die". The main members can, but there will always be more to take the place. There ideals will always, seemingly control the US. What's with the S3 plan, it's rather confusing? I'll try and be simple. The S3 plan stands for selection for social sanity. It was project the Patrtiot's decided to introduce due to there fear of the "digital age". The Patriot's are big on complete power and would like it to stay that way. The Patriot's decided they were going to control and censore the digital flow of information. How? With their AI sets, GW and JFK are the two featured in MGS2: SOL. Basically the Patriots want to mold history as to how they see fit. But first a test had to be conducted. They decided to see if the AI could handle the most extreme of situations. So what situation would they mimic for the test. The Shadow Moses incident. 1 man against an entire army. The idea for Arsenal Gear is even around during MGS1. Secretary of Defense Jim Houseman is believed to have routed money from the Arsenal project to his own Metal Gear Rex one. For this incident to happen the Patriot's needed a camoflauge. This camoflauge was the Big Shell. And the Big Shell was needed because of the "sinking" of an oil tanker off the coast of Manhattan. The Patriot's whole main goal for the plan was to see if the AI could present a false reality to a normal person and to see if it could could "solve the equation" (IE stoping the terrorists). Notes of intrest about the S3 plan 3. Didn't Vamp die during MGS2? Well no, not really. Vamp is called Vamp because he is a bisexual right? Well you can't deny his vampiric traits. He is able to return from certain death. 3 times. 1. After you have outlasted the boss fight with Fortune, Vamp comes down the elevator. Once he walks out Fortune and Vamp have a quick coversation Raiden pops out from behind a box. He decides to take a risk and takes a shot at Fortune. Of course Fortune's device allows bullets to miss her automatically. The bullet richocets around the room and eventually tears through Vamp's skull and comes out through his stomach. While he appears dead Fortunes's tears seem to revive him in some way. 2. After your boss fight with Vamp he falls into a pool of oxginated water. Vamp, already wounded from the fight can not sustain himself because of the harsh gravity. He drowns, right? Wrong. 3. While Emma Emmerich is crossing the Strut L Oil Fence you are tasked to take down gun cyphers, explosives and guards. While about 3/4's of the way there Vamp pops out of the water. He grabs onto Emma and holds her hostage with one of his knives. You are tasked with killing him (again). Once you deplete his life bar Vamp goes flying into the water. Dead right? Wrong At the ending of MGS2 Vamp can be seen watching Snake and Raiden while leaing on a taxi cab. Alive and "well". So what comes in contact with Vamp each time he dies? Water! Could it be the very thing that revives him. It's the main therory we have on him as of now. Oh and everyone PLEASE DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD UNTIL I HAVE OKAY'd it. You don't have to listen to me, but as you can see by my TOC I still have more to post. This message was edited by George Sears on Jun 29 2005. This message was edited by George Sears on Jun 29 2005. This message was edited by George Sears on Jun 29 2005. | |
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George Sears Hooked on Neo
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Jun 30, 05 at 3:54am |
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4. Didn't Meryl die at the end of MGS1?
No, not in the Canon ending of MGS1. In that ending Snake escapes with Meryl from Shadow Moses Island and let's the colonel send in a rescue team to get Otacon out. There relationship doesn't last long and she breaks up with Snake shortly after they have made it safetly home. 4a. Wait, I saw Meryl in MGS2! She's in one of the Snake Tales right? Well yes, but those are not considered canon to the Metal Gear Solid timeline. 5. So, Solidus was responsible for Shadow Moses incident? Yes, Solidus sent in his most trusted spy Revolver Ocelot to provoke Liquid Snake into starting the incident. Solidus did this while he was President of the United States under the alias George Sears (Me!). Although Ocelot succeded in obtaining the Metal Gear Rex testing data the incident revealed to the public the exisitence of Rex and the Genome Army. The Patriot's decided it was time for Solidus to "resign" from office. After his resignation his health was scheduled to fail him. Luckily he escapes underground with Ocelot. While out of public view he assumes control of Dead Cell. 5a. Solidus wanted Ocelot to steal MG Ray and sink the tanker right? Yes, Solidus again wanted to use Ocelot to further his plans to topple the Patriots. Unfortuanly for him it was all apart of the S3 plan. In the end Solidus became another pawn in the Patriots game after the Shadow Moses incident. In the end his most trusted man Ocelot, screwed him over. And always had been. 6. So Revolver Ocelot has always worked for the Patriot's? Yes, he has always been a Patriot's spy. Here's a little timeline I've written for him 1944-1964: Ocelot is trained to be a spy by the Patriots 1964: Ocelot is sent to the Russian GRU faction. His mission is to steal the Philosephers Legacy. He achieves staeling atleast half. 1964-1995: Ocelot is still a spy and is working in Russia. Probably trying to get the rest of the Legacy back. He also fight wars in Chad, Mozambique, Afganistan and a few other places. 1995: Ocelot is sent to Outer Heaven by the Patriot's to spy on Big Boss's regime. 1997: 2 years after the fall of Outer Heaven Ocelot joins Zanzibar Land along with an old comrade later to be named Vulcan Raven. He is still a Patriot's spy. 2005: Ocelot is sent to Shadow Moses by Solidus (oaky'd by the Pat's). Ocelot recovers the MG Rex testing data and all of the people wo were suppoused to die did. Except for Solid Snake. 2007: While he is still believed to be under the employ of Solidus, Ocelot "rejoins" his old friend Sergei Gurlockivich. Sergei believes Ocelot wants to help him rebuild mother russia. While on the tanker Ocelot steals Ray for Solidus (not really, remember this all apart of the S3 plan). And sinks the tanker. 2009: Ocelot helps Solidus take over the Big Shell. While on the Shell Ocelot monitors Raiden's movements and makes sure everything goes smoothly while still fooling Solidus and Dead Cell. At the end of the game Ocelot "betrays" (not like he was ever really his ally) Solidus. While attempting to kill Solidus, Raiden, Snake and Fortune his retached arm which once belonged to Liquid Snake takes over Ocelot. The nanomachines causes Ocelot to switch personality's to Liquid Snake. Liquid Ocelot steals Ray again and leaps off of Aresenal Gear convinced he can stop the Patriots. 6a. This is just a note made by myself, not a question. When we are first introduced to Revolver Ocelot in MGS1 it is clear he is a fan of the Colt .45 Single Action Army revolver. He hails it as the greatest handgun ever made. But during Metal Gear Solid 2 during the Tanker portion Ocelot is shown carrying a Double Action Revolver. To see it you have to watch the cutscene where Ocelot steals Ray for the Patriots. After klling Sergei, Ocelot shoots the rest of Sergei's men who surround him. When he does this he "fans" the hammer on the revolver. It's a texhnique used for Double Action revolvers, not single action. So my question is why does Ocelot have a different type of gun? My guess is that the part where he shoots Sergei and his men is suppoused to up his "bad ass" factor. Just a little note. 7. So Liquid didn't start the Shaodw moses incident? Yes, he technically did. Although it was planned by Solidus and Ocelot. Liquid controlled Foxhound and the Genome Army. Although at the end of MGS it appears he dies from Foxdie, Liquid's nanomachines appear to live on through his arm and inside Ocelot. Crrrrazzzyy. Maybe, remember his line when takes control of Ocelot on the Tanker "You're drowning in time brother, I know what it's like!" Snake then remembers his accelerated aging which he has begun to suffer from. Liquid probably did suffer from it around the time of teh Shadow Moses incident. 8. MGS4 Poster From left to right Vamp, Meryl Silverburgh, Raiden, Revolver Ocelot, Solid Snake, Otacon, Big Boss, Naomi Hunter Points of Intrest about the poster 9. So wait, I didn't catch Naomi's explanation on Foxdie. Okay, buckle up ladys and gentleman. Were in for a trip. "Naomi: FoxDie is a type of retrovirus that targets and kills only specific people. First, it infects the macrophages in the victim's body. FoxDie contains smart enzymes, created through protein engineering. They're programmed to respond to specific genetic patterns in the cells. Snake: Those enzymes recognize the target's DNA? Naomi: Right. They respond by becoming active, and using the macrophages, they begin creating TNF epsilon. It's a type of cytokine, a peptide which causes cells to die. The TNF epsilon is carried along the bloodstream to the heart, where they attach to the TNF receptors in the heart cells. Snake: And then...they cause a heart attack? Naomi: The heart cells suffer a shock and undergo an extreme apoptosis. Then... the victim dies. Snake: Apoptosis...you mean the heart cells commit suicide..." That's the official quote from the game. Here's some more info. Before the Shadow Moses incident Solid Snake was injected with Foxdie along with Nanomachines by Foxhound Medical Expert Naomi Hunter. Snake was suppoused to be a vector for the drug. The virus was suppoused to kill Solid Snake, Arms Tech President Kenneth Baker, Foxhound members Decoy Octupus, Vulcan Raven, Sniper Wolf, Phsyco Mantis and Liquid Snake. It managed to kill Baker, Decoy and Liquid Snake. So why didn't Foxdie kill Mantis, Wolf, and Raven. I'll tell you. Snake never got close to Vulcan Raven until right before he died, meaning FOXDIE couldn't affect him. Psycho Mantis wore his mask, so FOXDIE couldn't affect him, and the tranquilizers Wolf took constantly kept it from affecting her. Now what about Ocelot? Well things are a bit fuzzy concerning him. On one hand, Solidus gave him the FOXDIE vaccine before he went into Shadow Moses. However, Ocelot was also working with the Patriots at the time, meaning it's very likely he wasn't a target at all. Alright, now feel free to post. I want this to generate some good discussion. This message was edited by George Sears on Jun 30 2005. This message was edited by George Sears on Jul 05 2005. This message was edited by George Sears on Jul 09 2005. This message was edited by George Sears on Jul 12 2005. | |
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Chicken Fox Do you feel lucky punk?...well do you?
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Jun 30, 05 at 6:12pm |
quote George SearsWell you didn't leave much room for discussions, you put the facts there in a very nice layout if I may add. All people are gonna do is read through the info, and just leave the thread. Anywayz we discussed those facts millions of times over and over and over again. Thats why no one is bothering to reply. This message was edited by Chicken Fox on Jun 30 2005. -------------------  | |
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George Sears Hooked on Neo
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Jun 30, 05 at 8:46pm |
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Actually it could, remember this thread is also for anyone who has any other questions. Not just the ones I answered.
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Chicken Fox Do you feel lucky punk?...well do you?
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Jun 30, 05 at 10:00pm |
quote What Liquid didn't consider was that the Patriots prolly gave Ocelot a fake location of their where abouts, as S.Snake Stated. I don't fully understand but (and I remember this clearly), when liquid said he was going to kill the patriots and Snake asked him if he knew their where abouts, Liquid reply "...of course why do you think I choose Ocelot as my host, the patriots spy.) Now how could liquid possibly have picked ocelot to be his host when in fact Ocelot acquired his arm as a replacement ?? ------------------- | |
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George Sears Hooked on Neo
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Jun 30, 05 at 10:02pm |
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I have no idea, Liquid was probably just being arrogant when he said he "chose" Ocelot. The whole Liquid arms controlling Ocelot is pretty odd and I hope we get some kind of answer with MGS4.
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Chicken Fox Do you feel lucky punk?...well do you?
ultra seeker since: Jun 2004 |
Jun 30, 05 at 10:35pm |
quote George SearsYeah that bit i seriously odd, but I didn't mind because I really like Liquid as a character. Him and Snake were so evenly matched. Only that snake was slightly strong because of his experiences. I wouldn't mind them bringing back Liquid I mean in his old body although that unlikely ------------------- | |
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adrenalrush The Standup Comedian
Neolithic  total posts: 6705 since: Jul 2002 |
Jul 01, 05 at 12:01am |
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S3 stands for Solid Snake Simulation, an intense VR program designed to shape the next Solid Snake without exposing the candidate(s) to the rigors of real battle.
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Camp Kill Yourself Stuck Dead makes your music look gay
Two much Neo since: May 2004 |
Jul 01, 05 at 12:10am |
quote adrenalrushBut wasn't that just Solidus saying that to Raiden to make him believe he was apart of it when S3 had a totally different meaning? | |
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adrenalrush The Standup Comedian
Neolithic total posts: 6705 since: Jul 2002 |
Jul 01, 05 at 12:12am |
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Perhaps, but I never heard George Sears' version of S3 in the game. Of course, the Patriots were controlling information, but I don't think it was with that name.
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George Sears Hooked on Neo
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Jul 01, 05 at 1:07am |
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If you listen to the conversation Raiden has with the Patriot AI JFK on top of Federal Hall at the end of MGS2, you'd know it stands for Selection for Social Snaity. Solid Snake Simulation was a lie the Patriot's told Ocelot. In a way the S3 plan you're talking about AR is integrated into the true S3 plan. But the True name is Selection for Social Sanity.
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adrenalrush The Standup Comedian
Neolithic total posts: 6705 since: Jul 2002 |
Jul 01, 05 at 2:18am |
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JFK? Where are you getting that from? Colonel Campbell, for Raiden, is a manifestation of GW, the Arsenal AI. There's no JFK, last time I checked.
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George Sears Hooked on Neo
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Jul 01, 05 at 2:21am |
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Remember the computer virus that mimics Foxdie? Snake inserts that into the GW system while in the computer room right before he and Raiden board Arsenal. It's the disk the President gives you. Well on Arsenal after Raiden is attacked by the MG's the GW system (which has already started feeling the effects of the virus) fully crashes. So, the Colonel you talk to you on top of Federal Hall is the AI JFK which is on a another Arsenal Gear.
It's all said in the Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 ------------------- Hertha Uber Alles!
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Chicken Fox Do you feel lucky punk?...well do you?
ultra seeker since: Jun 2004 |
Jul 01, 05 at 12:49pm |
quote adrenalrushIt's in that last conversation Where Campbell/Rose tell Raiden to kill Solidus, and they also make a lot of reference about him being just a weapon to them and all. It's a really long conversation where they also talk about why they watch over the USA and all. What's That MGS2 Document everyone is talking about. Someone just explain that one to me is it like a US exclusive or is it that making of DVD included with mgs2. ------------------- | |
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George Sears Hooked on Neo
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Jul 01, 05 at 10:15pm |
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The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 is basically ag ame Kojima made to explain MGS2 better. It includes alot of extras and has most importanlty the MGS2 script, which cleas up lots of things.
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