quote vivalaraza

If you have seen the way that Vergil handles that demon (that goes on about how bad the blood of Sparda stinks) then you will realise that Vergil is far superior to Sephiroth.
All sephiroth can do is swing his sword like a madman.
Vergil is a man of pure skill

quote Ray_Masamune

Reasons why Sephiroth is fast:

- Loz is able to move faster than the eye can see, or at least so fast, he leaves an after-image of himself. I suppose one would compare it to the "Dash" move in DMC, only faster, constant, and travels longer distances.

- Loz is only 1/3 of Sephiroth, so Sephiroth must be faster.

- While fast, I'll admit Sephiroth wasn't blindingly fast in his fight against Cloud. Then again, he wasn't exactly trying in that fight (Besides which, a fight that fast wouldn't really be worth watching). He wasn't exerting himself at all (the director said it himself). Even so, the fact that Cloud had to look around to locate Sephiroth on numerous times in the fight, reveals that Sephiroth is fast enough to escape Cloud's sight on many occasions. And Cloud is someone who can deflect bullets just like Dante and Vergil do.

- In KH and KH2, Both Cloud and Sephiroth's speed are too fast for the eye to see, as all you can really see is the clashing of blades, and kicked up air.

- You can't really judge based on FF7, because of it's poor graphics. If DMC was released in 1997, I doubt Dante and Vergil would be as visually quick and powerful as they are. Nonetheless, Sephiroth was hyped by the storyline itself, and accomplished impressive feats, such as impaling a hundred-foot long serpent onto a massive tree.

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I personally think Vergil may be slightly faster then Sephiroth, but Sephiroth has too many other advantages. He has Materia, Teleportation, Flight, Inhuman strength (Higher than that of Vergil's anyway, since Vergil never really showed feats of amazing strength - just speed), Jenova powers, and... a longer blade.

But even so, as I said, it would be a close fight.

quote Ray_Masamune

Sephiroth would not be defenseless when using Materia.

As for the Summoning wait time...

Kadaj simply pointed his arm up and blasted a symbol into the sky. That's all it took for him to summon Bahamut Sin.

He could move and talk while it was forming, because the calling had already begun.

So I'd say the wait is a few seconds at most.

All Sephiroth would have to do if he wanted to summon (He wouldn't need to, really) is keep Vergil occupied the way he did with Cloud in AC.

The moment he has the chance, he could simply summon some help, and likely react fast enough before Vergil would have the chance to strike.

If Vergil has Infinite DT, then the match would again, be extremely close, but Vergil would probably have the upper-hand.

Realistically though, I imagine Vergil would not be able to keep his Devil form on forever, and if that were the case, then Sephiroth has the win.

quote Ray_Masamune

Well, maybe that's because my post actually sheds some light as to why Sephiroth would defeat Vergil, whereas all you did, was call me bias based on my avatar.

Yeah that is wrong, you should call him bias based on his signature.

Strength? Well he matched Dante's strength and even beat him in their first encounter of DMC3, stormy battle. But yeah, speed is a key factor, (to me, anyways), with DT, Vergil will gain quite the upper hand, but once he's drained, Sephy will eventually become the victor.

In a battle to the death, Vergil would win.

quote vivalaraza

quote Ray_Masamune

Well, maybe that's because my post actually sheds some light as to why Sephiroth would defeat Vergil, whereas all you did, was call me bias based on my avatar.

I've left other posts here before, so...no, I have done more than call you bias.

Moderators (by default) stick up for other moderators, because you seem to think it shows some kind of unity...anything otherwise is clearly taboo.

quote vivalaraza

quote Fyrestorm

Actually you're wrong, I love both Final Fantasy and Devil May Cry, and both Sephiroth and Vergil. Really you're the one behaving like a fan boy, claiming things with no logic to back them up. It doesn't matter if Sephiroth has a giant dildo sticking out of his head, this is not a coolness competition but one of power, and Sephiroth is the main enemy of FFVII, like Mundus is to DMC, his powers far exceed that of Vergil's, who could only hope to match him on a swordsmanship level. I appreciate that you like Vergil, I do too, but your opinion backed by no reasoning proves nothing, for example Sephiroth has more fans than the entire DMC series' cast combined.

So really, you're entitled to your opinion, but that's all it is, just like anyone else's. But in terms of actual power, Sephiroth would wipe the floor with Vergil, during the final fight in Advent Children he literally smashes through multiple walls of buildings without slowing down, which Vergil can't do, otherwise he'd just punch his way to the middle of the Temen-Ni-Gru. Then again, Goku from Dragon Ball Z could kill Vergil, Dante and Sephiroth all together with one finger, and I like all of them much better than Goku, but it doesn't change the fact that in DBZ people can literally destroy planets with their finger.

So in a contest of power, Sephiroth would almost certainly win, and in a contest of popularity, Sephiroth has been winning for the last 10 years and counting. This doesn't invalidate anyone's opinion, but in the same way what one person thinks is just that, an opinion, and nothing more.

Vergil and Sephiroth are from very different games, and very different publishers.

It's kinda pointless to compare power between characters from different game series, cuz "Power" all depends on how ridiculous the respective games publisher wants to be in terms of their characters power.

Does anyone get what I mean?

quote vivalaraza

Did you read that one?

I assume you haven't, because if you did, then you wouldn't have called me bias.

I never backed either Vergil or Sephiroth...and i'm a 'fanboy?'...

quote vivalaraza

I never backed either Vergil or Sephiroth...and i'm a 'fanboy?'...

quote vivalaraza

All sephiroth can do is swing his sword like a madman.

quote vivalaraza

Vergil is a man of pure skill

Not extreme cases, but you also called me bias when I wasn't. =_=

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@ Storm:

People keep forgetting, but the original FF7 is what hyped up Sephiroth as a godly fighter the most.

quote Cloud

"I'm going to be the best there is, just like Sephiroth!"

quote Tifa

"Sephiroth… The Great Sephiroth."

quote President Shinra

"Forgive me for asking, but I can't be expected to remember each person's name. Unless you become another Sephiroth. Yes, Sephiroth… He was brilliant. Perhaps too brilliant…"

quote Red XIII

"No human could've done this. I'll go on ahead."

quote Cloud

"…Looks like it. Only Sephiroth can use that sword."

quote Cloud's flashback

"I joined SOLDIER so I could be like you. But by the time I made First
class, the war was already over. My big hopes of becoming a hero like you ended
with the war. That's why I always sign up whenever there's a big mission. Kind
of a way to prove myself. Say, how do you feel, MISTER Sephiroth?"

quote Cloud

"Sephiroth's strength is unreal. He is far stronger in reality then any
story you might have heard about him."

quote Cloud

"Me? I was mesmerized by the way Sephiroth fought."

quote Cloud

"In terms of skill, I couldn't have killed him."

quote Cloud

"……I want to know the truth. I wanted to know what happened then. I
challenged Sephiroth and lived why didn't he kill me?"

He's fast too.

quote Tifa

"What? Does that mean Sephiroth already crossed the ocean?"

Anyhoo...

quote Sephiroth

"...Ah, but I have. I'm far superior to the Ancients."

quote Cloud

"That was the first time I heard
about Sephiroth. If I got strong like Sephiroth, then everyone might..."

quote

Cloud: "But...... how about Holy? How come Holy
isn't moving? Why?"

Bugenhagen: "Something's getting in its way."

Cloud: ......Him...... He's the only one that could do it....Sephiroth. Where
are you?"

quote Final Battle

Cloud: Sephiroth!!

Barret: "Ugh... Is this...... the true power of Sephiroth?"

Cid: "My... my body... I can't control my body... Uuugh!?"

Red XIII: "My front legs...... my hind legs...... my tails about to tear off!!"

Cait Sith: "This is definitely not good...... He's way outta our league..."

Yuffie: "I, I don't know if I can... go on..."

Tifa: "Cloud... Cloud..."

Cloud: "Ugh... ugh... ...there... It's there..."

Tifa: "Cloud...?"

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That's merely some quotes. His actual accomplishments in FF7 outshine his mere building slashes in AC, I assure you. I'll gladly list them if you continue to whine.

quote Ray_Masamune

quote vivalaraza

I never backed either Vergil or Sephiroth...and i'm a 'fanboy?'...

._.

quote vivalaraza

All sephiroth can do is swing his sword like a madman.

quote vivalaraza

Vergil is a man of pure skill

Not extreme cases, but you also called me bias when I wasn't. =_=

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@ Storm:

People keep forgetting, but the original FF7 is what hyped up Sephiroth as a godly fighter the most.

quote Cloud

"I'm going to be the best there is, just like Sephiroth!"

quote Tifa

"Sephiroth… The Great Sephiroth."

quote President Shinra

"Forgive me for asking, but I can't be expected to remember each person's name. Unless you become another Sephiroth. Yes, Sephiroth… He was brilliant. Perhaps too brilliant…"

quote Red XIII

"No human could've done this. I'll go on ahead."

quote Cloud

"…Looks like it. Only Sephiroth can use that sword."

quote Cloud's flashback

"I joined SOLDIER so I could be like you. But by the time I made First
class, the war was already over. My big hopes of becoming a hero like you ended
with the war. That's why I always sign up whenever there's a big mission. Kind
of a way to prove myself. Say, how do you feel, MISTER Sephiroth?"

quote Cloud

"Sephiroth's strength is unreal. He is far stronger in reality then any
story you might have heard about him."

quote Cloud

"Me? I was mesmerized by the way Sephiroth fought."

quote Cloud

"In terms of skill, I couldn't have killed him."

quote Cloud

"……I want to know the truth. I wanted to know what happened then. I
challenged Sephiroth and lived why didn't he kill me?"

He's fast too.

quote Tifa

"What? Does that mean Sephiroth already crossed the ocean?"

Anyhoo...

quote Sephiroth

"...Ah, but I have. I'm far superior to the Ancients."

quote Cloud

"That was the first time I heard
about Sephiroth. If I got strong like Sephiroth, then everyone might..."

quote

Cloud: "But...... how about Holy? How come Holy
isn't moving? Why?"

Bugenhagen: "Something's getting in its way."

Cloud: ......Him...... He's the only one that could do it....Sephiroth. Where
are you?"

quote Final Battle

Cloud: Sephiroth!!

Barret: "Ugh... Is this...... the true power of Sephiroth?"

Cid: "My... my body... I can't control my body... Uuugh!?"

Red XIII: "My front legs...... my hind legs...... my tails about to tear off!!"

Cait Sith: "This is definitely not good...... He's way outta our league..."

Yuffie: "I, I don't know if I can... go on..."

Tifa: "Cloud... Cloud..."

Cloud: "Ugh... ugh... ...there... It's there..."

Tifa: "Cloud...?"

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That's merely some quotes. His actual accomplishments in FF7 outshine his mere building slashes in AC, I assure you. I'll gladly list them if you continue to whine.

quote Storm

Ok, but that still doesn't change the fact that AC is more supernatural. xD No one would really remember those quotes, they'd remember AC because it's more 'new.' True, they couldn't show off much with the PS game, FFVII, but that's why SE needs to remake the game.

I wasn't whining! The only person that can defeat Sephiroth is Ryu Hayabusa.