Killer instinct, haha, Cloud beat him when he was just a grunt for Shinra, Sephiroth has no chance against Vergil. Sephiroth has always appeared ultra powerful and evil, but he gets beaten every fight he has with the Shinra grunt. Keyword being "appeared", Vergil is powerful, far more than Sephiroth, the only reason he lost to Dante is because it is the "fitting" way for them to make games. Good guy vs bad guy, bad guy always loses. Which in the Dante/Vergil scenario doesn't make to much sense because Capcom never states Vergil's true motives. Either way Vergil would still win.

To be fair, Aura, Cloud stabbed him in the back, a cheapshot.
DarkHunter, have you ever seen what Vergil does to poor, innocent Beowulf.

quote DaRk_HuNtEr

I think i will support Sephiroth because he's strong and fast...He hav a very strong killer instinct and very cold-hearted person...When fighting, he just stay calm and can kill the enemy with just one blow/slash he shows no mercy and he have more darkness than anyone (i love darkness...) his hair is beautiful XD and his clothes are awesome when comparing with Vergil...He is a genius too! X3

I get what you're saying, but PLEASE, write PROPERLY!

It was indeed a cheap shot Kushala, but it just proves that Sephiroth isn't all powerful, if he's taken out so easily. You'd think if Sephiroth was as powerful as what some claim he would've known what was going to happen.

Fair enough. If Cloud had stabbed Vergil in the back, FFVII would be over before it even began. Vergil would have ripped him in two.

That's right, lucky Cloud didn't have to go up against Vergil. Final Fantasy VII was a great game but I never was a fan of Sephiroth. Wonder what the RPG genre would be like now if FFVII never came out?

A half human/half devil vs part jenova/part human - Unsure

quote Aura_Smash

That's right, lucky Cloud didn't have to go up against Vergil.

Cloud's Buster Sword would be sliced in two by Yamato. I'd pay to see that fight.

I dont think its fair to compare a Sephiroth before he became powerful. Granted he was strong then too, being like lvl 70 or something, but he became much stronger when he fused with the planet.

A lot of people have been mentioning Sephiroth's planet destroying power, now for a fair fight between Sephiroth and Vergil we'd have to assume they both gained the powers they sought. (Off track a little but Sephiroth's super nova, the planet destroying magic, is just a last resort cheap tactic to beat an enemy he cant win against fairly) Sephiroth fuses with the planet, but as he was already 'in' the lifestream (Northern Crater) one would assume he already had 50% potential if not more. Vergil takes Sparda's power and becomes an ultra demon (as we have all learned from the DMC series, human blood seems to make demons stronger, whatever the reason for that is?), so taking all of that into account it makes the fight not so one-sided. Super Nova is a cheap tactic, shouldn't be allowed in a fair fight, but if Vergil were to become an ultra demon, I doubt the Super Nova would do much. In the FFVII game, Sephiroth is at level 50 and attacks for around 2,500-3,000 hp, against a single dragon, with a novice Cloud. Vergil, in his first fight takes out more than a dozen of the stronger demons in no more than a single blow each (apart from the one he trips before slicing in half).

Super Nova is an illusionary magic that represents the sheer amount of power from the spell, he isnt actually destroying any planets, so no, its not some last resort attack, otherwise he wouldnt have spammed it on the party memebers in the regular game.

Also whats with this ultra demon you brought up!? That doesnt exist in the DMC universe, and wether it does or doesnt, you arent anyone to dictate wether a spell from a freaking turn based rpg can do any damage to a character from an action game, it makes ZERO sense.

Firstly I'm just referring to what other members have posted in the forum about Super Nova, have a read through and you'll see what I mean.

I mentioned ultra demon because if Vergil was to have obtained Sparda's power that is, essentially what he would be. Sparda defeated the ruler of all demons Mundus, which one would imagine would have to be extremely powerful to rule over all the demons in hell. Sparda would be the ultimate demon (though one can only speculate as we have yet to see a demonstration of his true power).

I never dictated, I was speculating, the comment was entirely opinionated, which is why there are forums, so we all can have our own opinion.

Going by the action you do see from Sephiroth as I mentioned before, when he is an actual ally not the boss (bosses 'have' to be strong as a general rule) he was untouchable from enemies like the dragon you fight with. So if we were to throw Vergil into an rpg game how would he fight? I imagine the same as he did in the video at the beginning of his story.

I think it would be quite easy to make the transition from rpg to action (and vice versa) when you look at the actual characters, advent children would be a good example of how to take an rpg character and put them into real time action.

On that note FFVII is an optional turn-based rpg by changing the configuration settings to WAIT, even then limit breaks take the first turn over other attacks so it's not really a turn-based rpg.

Perhaps you'd like to tell me how it makes zero sense now that I've explained my opinion?

[size=1][color=#666666]This message was edited by Evolution on May 31 2009.

First off, speculation for something unsubstantial is going to lead to confusion.

Also, FF7 is a turn based rpg, period. The only thing is, it has an active time battle system, that doesnt take away the fact that its still a turn based game. Also no one knows how Sephiroth would play like in an action game (at his full power, Kingdom Hearts doesnt count) and nobody knows how Vergil would control in an rpg,

Look, these are characters from completely diffrent genres, and because of that fact, comparing them in terms of strength poses alot of problems. How would sephiroths health points transfer into the DMC universe? His health over the hundred thousands belive, what is that number to Vergil if he has two full health bars? Nobody knows, its things like this that bring a conversaiont such as thing down, because they're truly uncomparable.

its like saying what tastes better, better. Pizza? Or Ice Cream? Both are great in their own way, both are food, but you really cant say one is better than the other.

Can't really say I agree with it being a full fledged turn based rpg, the active battle system as you mentioned, I don't believe allows for it. Breath of Fire 3 is what I would consider a proper turn based strategy.

You may be right about speculation for something unsubstantial leading to confusion, however this is a forum, the sole purpose being to give an opinion based off one's own ideas and speculations. Like you said no-one can say for certain what either characters would be like if you were to change the genre and type of game they belong to.

So the only way to try and bring a more logical opinion is to look at what you know and what could be entirely possible for the characters to achieve. It would cause a problem trying to transfer how their health would work out in terms of health bar to health points. In that case to try and come up with a half intelligent opinion one would have to go by the demonstration of power of these 2 characters. That itself would be hard to transfer from rpg to action, however not so difficult as things like health bar/points, defense etc.

Vergil's beowulf for example, could be considered as an armour as well as a weapon in an rpg, there's too many factors and too many difficulties in trying to rationalize how they would work in which genre to bother mentioning. Therefore I went by the power and speed, things that you can see from the way the characters move.

I never once said one was better than the other, I think that Vergil would win that's my opinion, there are people that agree and disagree, it doesn't make either one better and it doesn't make it true. Your analogy of pizza and ice cream, ok not everybody likes pizza not everybody likes ice cream. Some people like ice cream better than pizza, some people like pizza better than ice cream. You can say you think both are great but it doesn't make it true nor does it apply to everybody.

We both have our own opinions and thoughts on this topic but it doesn't make either of us wrong or right. So telling me speculation for something unsubstantial leading to confusion is unfair, as I've said before this is a forum for ideas, everyone has their own, so not everyone is going to follow what someone else thinks. What do you believe the forums are for? So you can criticise someone else for having an opinion that you don't agree with.

quote DEATH47

ACTUALLY I BEAT Vergil IN EVERY MODE ON THE DMC 3 SPECIAL EDITION 5TH ANIVERSARY AND IT DIDN´T COST ME A SWET,ON THE OTHER HAND SEPHIROTH COST ME A LITTLE THE FIRST TIME I WENT THROUGH THE GAME. JUST FOR THE RECORD I HAVE 2 OF THE GAMES AND I´VE "PLAYED BOUT OF THEM" SO I GUESS I CAN COPARE THEM, THAT MEANS EVEN IF IT´S ANOYING YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE 2 GAMES SO YOU CAN COMPARE THEM: SEPHIROT COULD KILL VERGIL WITH A FART AND VERGIL WOULDN´T EVEN SMELL IT BEEFORE HE FALL DEATH,VERGIL ITS A SISSY COMPARED WITH SEPHIROTH SO THIS ARGUIN ABOUT IT DOESN´T MEAKE ANY SENSE,SEPHIROTH IT´S THE GREATHES, AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE IN A FORUM OF DMC3 DOESENT MEANS THAT YOU SHOULD BACK UP VERGIL. NO OFENS Chimaria IT´S JUST THE TRUTH XD

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