quote Xeros_the_Slayer

as you all say "It destroys everything" this would include either the planet or Seph, and I doubt he can breath in space.

Of course he can breathe in space- his goal is to destroy the Planet, then travel to other Planets...to destroy them. It'd be a bit stupid if, after all this time, he couldn't actually go into space, because he couldn't breathe.
But yeah, SuperNova doesnt literally destroy everything.

Ray already backed up the speed thing.

You guys seem to be forgetting one key thing: The Sparda Sword.

For the sake of the argument, let's assume Vergil had it. We all know what Dante was able to do with it, which was near god level power. I don't really know all that much about Sephiroth and ALL of his abilities, so I'll just leave this out there for everyone else to discuss.

Ok, for the point of an arguement(not in the sense that your all probably thinking); Vergil has unlimited DT, and the Sparda, and the powers he got from Beowulf as well(assuming nobody had counted that in yet).

If this was a fight with the katanas, Yamato would cut Seph's blade in half, the Yamato can cut thru anything but the Rebellion, and Force edge after all. rendering the range vantage useless. And with Sparda, Vergil would have the range cuz of it turning into a halberd or a scyth. also, Vergil can conjure swords which follow enemies, or surround them and close in fast. If no Sparda, he probably has unlimited DT, and lets not forget when the grim-reaper demon was pleading for forgiveness, all he did was spin the sword once and then turned the thing into tissue.

Materia use, in the time they take to prepare the summons and magic, not that Seph really materia all that much after Jenova, which was a few mins in the movie(thinking bout bahamut, chose movie cuz it was real-time) Vergil could attack and kill Seph, or atleast stop the attack. This could also be said for super nova, cuz only an idiot would stand around doing nothing while his opponent is charging an attack that could seriously harm or kill him(no offense to the take turn system intended).

You say that Vergil can slice the Masamune? Really, I dont see that happening. In the DMC world the Yamato can slice through anything, but the Masamune doesnt exist in the DMC world so its not considered a factor. Just because it says it can cut through anything in the DMC world, doesnt necessarily make it true for the Masamune. The Masamune is slim yet can handle the awesome weight of Clouds Zweihander swords with ease. Also its a sword surounded by Japanese mythology, I dont beleive it can be broken.

Also Vergil NEVER uses Force Edges true form so saying he can do this this and that with it is pointless cause only Dante and Sparda have done it. Another thing, incorporating the fact that, yes Vergil did slice that Van Hellgard in half is dumb, cause that was AFTER Dante had defeated him.

Finally the whole charging thing you said about Super Nova/materia, nobody doesnt charge while the spell is going in effect dude, that means that Sephy isnt just gonna wait for the sun to blow, hes gonna fight Vergil till it comes, also its an illusion(though that doesnt mean he doesnt have the potential to do a "real" one), and it doesnt work on Sephy cuase in the game the explosion engulfs him and it doesnt do anything to his health.

ps- you still havent backed up on how Iam a "fanboy"

quote Zero and X

You say that Vergil can slice the Masamune? Really, I dont see that happening. In the DMC world the Yamato can slice through anything, but the Masamune doesnt exist in the DMC world so its not considered a factor. Just because it says it can cut through anything in the DMC world, doesnt necessarily make it true for the Masamune. The Masamune is slim yet can handle the awesome weight of Clouds Zweihander swords with ease. Also its a sword surounded by Japanese mythology, I dont beleive it can be broken.

Your own reasoning on the point Seph can use materia is destroyed by you saying "Yamato is only that powerful in the DMC world" Because of that reasoning, materia is only has that use in the FF world.


and with a huge sword like Cloud's, doesnt really need to be all too sharp to do damage. And all they really did was use the name so ppl would think it matters, and wasnt it split in two to make Kadaj's blade?

quote Zero and X

Finally the whole charging thing you said about Super Nova/materia, nobody doesnt charge while the spell is going in effect dude, that means that Sephy isnt just gonna wait for the sun to blow, hes gonna fight Vergil till it comes, also its an illusion(though that doesnt mean he doesnt have the potential to do a "real" one), and it doesnt work on Sephy cuase in the game the explosion engulfs him and it doesnt do anything to his health.

since super nova is an illusion, then it too would have no effect, on anyone.

with the vanguard statemen, that happened before they even fought for the first time. when Vergil was watching Dante from the top of the tower.

with the charging thing, everyone in the movie stood around going "omygod" while he was being summoned, Kadaj, who summoned it, was just standing there, I believe he was making a speech about jenova's powe while doing so tho.

and here is why u r a 'fanboy'

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This is a Devil May Cry board.

Therefore, Vergil pwns everyone and everything, without any exception saved for Dante and Dante only, forever and ever, amen, period.

quote Zero and X

Ummm, just becuase you hate the franchise/ game doesnt make the characters any less powerful. Sorry but Sephy can pwn Vergil and Dante without so much as blinking.

I could paraphrase, but I wont. that, was a fanboy statement.

This message was edited by Xeros_the_Slayer on Feb 01 2007.

Stop with the fanboy stuff...

They didn't split the sword in two to make Kadaj's It is just another Katana.

Supernova was an illusion? WTF? No, I don't think so. That is just something you seemed to come up with since you were saying before that Sephiroth would have to charge to use it. Why would Sephy charge something that won't do anything?

You know, I noticed that there is something that none of you guys have mentioned. Many (or all) of you have mentioned the ability of Vergil being able to transform into his devil form, but never have any of you mentioned the ability of Sephiroth being able to transform. We already know that Sephiroth holds phenomenal power in his normal form when he's barely even trying, so imagine his power in his 'seraph' form when he actually is trying.

BAH!!! Too much going on in this thread. If everyone wants to get picky about everything then lemme try a stab at it. Sephiroth is one mean, wicked, powerful dood. He throws pieces of his mom on the floor that grow into tarded tough monsters, can do multiple attacks that completely decimate his foes, he has one hit kills, can heal, summon monsters, and you cant try to use the excuse that this is an RPG, just take out the ATB system and visual effects and there u go, no time delay. And quite frankly virgil is an easy boss compared to sephiroth. I dont like sephiroth, and frankly I hated playing as virgil so much, i didnt beat the game with him. Dante would have a better shot at beating sephiroth, but in the end, if sephiroth would summon supernova it would be end all for everyone except himself, how can you even try to argue freaking supernova?!?! And if u do aruge supernova, he had all sorts of other tricks up his sleave.

This message was edited by Legendaryest on Feb 06 2007.

quote Xeros_the_Slayer

quote Zero and X

You say that Vergil can slice the Masamune? Really, I dont see that happening. In the DMC world the Yamato can slice through anything, but the Masamune doesnt exist in the DMC world so its not considered a factor. Just because it says it can cut through anything in the DMC world, doesnt necessarily make it true for the Masamune. The Masamune is slim yet can handle the awesome weight of Clouds Zweihander swords with ease. Also its a sword surounded by Japanese mythology, I dont beleive it can be broken.

Your own reasoning on the point Seph can use materia is destroyed by you saying "Yamato is only that powerful in the DMC world" Because of that reasoning, materia is only has that use in the FF world.


and with a huge sword like Cloud's, doesnt really need to be all too sharp to do damage. And all they really did was use the name so ppl would think it matters, and wasnt it split in two to make Kadaj's blade?

quote Zero and X

Finally the whole charging thing you said about Super Nova/materia, nobody doesnt charge while the spell is going in effect dude, that means that Sephy isnt just gonna wait for the sun to blow, hes gonna fight Vergil till it comes, also its an illusion(though that doesnt mean he doesnt have the potential to do a "real" one), and it doesnt work on Sephy cuase in the game the explosion engulfs him and it doesnt do anything to his health.

since super nova is an illusion, then it too would have no effect, on anyone.

with the vanguard statemen, that happened before they even fought for the first time. when Vergil was watching Dante from the top of the tower.

with the charging thing, everyone in the movie stood around going "omygod" while he was being summoned, Kadaj, who summoned it, was just standing there, I believe he was making a speech about jenova's powe while doing so tho.

and here is why u r a 'fanboy'

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This is a Devil May Cry board.

Therefore, Vergil pwns everyone and everything, without any exception saved for Dante and Dante only, forever and ever, amen, period.

quote Zero and X

Ummm, just becuase you hate the franchise/ game doesnt make the characters any less powerful. Sorry but Sephy can pwn Vergil and Dante without so much as blinking.

I could paraphrase, but I wont. that, was a fanboy statement.

This message was edited by Xeros_the_Slayer on Feb 01 2007.

you sound a lot like a fanboy too since your trying so hard to defend your self against the word fanboy, stop being a baby and stop calling each other fanboys, its getting old and silly. And after all the shit everyone posted about true facts of Sephy, and you still think Vergil can win? dude, i faced more bad ass boss's than vergil. And so what if vergil can DT, it doesn't matter shit, all Sephy has to do is smack him around a few times and boom, no more DT.

1: Zero had said Supernova is an illusion. I didnt just bring it out of nowhere.

2: He had also said that he wanted proof that he is a fanboy, stating that a fanboy would basically say, "(insert name here) would pwn." Which he did earlier in the thread so I quoted him on it.

3: I had called him a fanboy not only last year, but weeks before the end of the year, then he came back and called me a fanboy,starting the whole arguement all over again, and then asked how he is one.

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They didn't split the sword in two to make Kadaj's It is just another Katana.

which is why it reformed back into the Masamune when he turned into Seph, or w/e happened to him when he touched the jenova head. It was two blades on one end not some regular katana.

Yes, I do realize that after the fact thing I posted on my first post, I went off and ranted on a little. But in the end this is a "I like this more therefore I say it wins" contest, I dont think anyone can shift anyones opinion, cuz thats what it is, an opinion. This is like getting a PS3 fan to say that 360's better.

btw, something I'm supprised by, nobody brought up the Nelo Angelo powers.

anyway, l8r... I'm going back to the MHF forum.

One fanboy statement doesnt make me a fanboy. So I said that, not denying it, I guess I didnt think of it as fanboy-ish at the time. But k whatever, you on the otherhand, were not implying by THAT statement that I was a fanboy. It was originally another one, that was devoid of any fanboyincy(lol i made up a word). Now seriously, I dont like being called a fanboy, I dont think it was right of you to say that to me and it was uncalled for. Also the whole argument, straight up, is ridiculous. I love DMC but Vergil is not winning. Its not a matter of telling a fan to say ones better when he likes the other, its facing the facts. The facts say Vergil loses.

Also I may have said it was an illusion but it not doing anything is stupid, if it didnt do anything the attack would have no effect on Cloud and co in the game. Its magic, its not suppose to make a whole lotta sense.

yup, but nobody wins in an opinion match, srry 4 callin u a fanboy, I looked back at my first statment and went "dam, that was bad."

either way, we cant realy compare the two characters because all we have to go off of one is a movie and an rpg(cant exactly compare speed in that). For the other, an action game.

oh, and nobody thinks what they say is fanboy-ish at the time. but no point in making unnecessary enemies.

and I've been the only one to rly defend Vergil without going, "He would pwn Seph cuz FF sucks," cuz I like FF(even tho I think the quality of their games has degraded in recent years)