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Fatal Error high on "N" since: Aug 2004	Apr 11, 09 at 6:26pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote ShadowGuard quote Fatal Error Yeah, still waiting to hear your reasoning for that one. I'm pretty sure there's nothing "spoiled" about the reasons I've listed. I have, maybe you should read the posts, I am still waiting for a "valid" reason why old skool gamers cant get off their high-horse and realize times have changed, games have become better, and the old skool population is the minority in the gaming world. Old skool gamers who cannot like the new generation of games are just too stubborn. that is what I see from you Fatal Error. I am waiting for a legit reason for why this generation sucks You didn't explain anything. You said graphics got better. Guess what? I don't give a shit about graphics, I said I want my games to be good. You know, solid gameplay and storyline. Look at almost all of the JRPGs this generation: they've all failed in character development and gameplay as well. You honestly think those games are better than their counterparts on the PS2? Jesus, get the shit out of your eyes and actually look. I never said this generation was horrible, either. I said developers have gotten lazy because they've resorted to fancy graphics and DLC to coverup poor design, story, and gameplay. ------------------- We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death.
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33567 since: Mar 2002	Apr 11, 09 at 7:29pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	Fatal Error, I have a problem with blanket statements like this. While I agree that SOME developers have a propensity toward self indulgent eye-candy creation at the expense of good gameplay, this is hardly something that is an epidemic. Yes, some developers have become so enamored by the graphics capabilities of the PS3 and 360 that they seem to have abandoned or forgotten about adding in good gameplay. I personally think Rockstar got seduced by the graphics and power of the new console and created a GTA game that has lost all semblance of focus because it is filled with some preachy pomposity. It is so focused on visuals and realism that they forgot to bring the fun. Other developers have done the same thing, but not everyone. Criterion is an example of a developer that has balanced both insane fun and excellent graphics in Burnout Paradise. Insomniac has created a visual and gameplay masterpiece with the Tools of Destruction as well as both Resistance games. What about the 360's Gears I and II and Halo 3? You may or may not like those games but they are well balanced titles. I personally think that there are more excellent games than there are ones that are just nothing but eye-candy, to be honest. So while some developers are more concerned with visual aesthetics, most are looking for a good balance. Edit: I was actually talking to Fatal Error NOT Shadow Guard. This message was edited by ChiroVette on Apr 11 2009. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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DXD Still Tacular Neolithic total posts: 6117 since: Aug 2008	Apr 11, 09 at 7:42pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote mega laser sword guy Yeah I know. People take it too seriously. It's a sport now. I'm an artist so that's how I see it. Co op can be fun. I'm much more interested in enjoying the experience and observing atmospheres. Bioshock is a great example of what I prefer. To each his own. Playing co-op with one or two of my siblings is more than enough entertainment that I'd need, so I find no longing to play over the internet with strangers in the least. ------------------- [ Sign? ] \| -- [ 100 ] \| [ 1000 ] \| [ 10000 ] -- \| [ Rate? ] \| --[Games]--[T.V.]-[(TLT)]-[Movies]--[Music]-- \|
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Fatal Error high on "N" since: Aug 2004	Apr 11, 09 at 7:44pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	Chiro, Gears II was not a good game. Listen, this generation hasn't been horrible, but developers have undeniably been lazy. Halo 3 was little more than a graphical improvement over Halo 2. Gears II was Gears I with better graphics but shittier online. Some genres of games have certainly improved, primarily because they rely heavily on graphics and physics (racing games and shooters), but others (fighting and RPGs particularly) have become pretty shitty. You keep saying "some", but quite frankly the number of actual quality games this generation has decreased despite all the competition out there. ------------------- We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death.
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DXD Still Tacular Neolithic total posts: 6117 since: Aug 2008	Apr 11, 09 at 8:07pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote Fatal Error Some genres of games have certainly improved, primarily because they rely heavily on graphics and physics (racing games and shooters), but others (fighting and RPGs particularly) have become pretty shitty. I've seen a lot of that too, mainly when comparing Super Smash Bros. Melee to Super Smash Bros. Brawl. The competitive side of this franchise's fan base has noticed a great shift since 2001 to 2008, mainly that the difficulty to pull off certain combos and KO hits has gone down substantially in place of noticeably improved graphics throughout. Now, since I'm really not one of the serious competitive types, I never noticed this nor did it bother me, the fact that the graphics and overall performance of the game's progress itself remains adequate is more than good enough for my taste as a player. ------------------- [ Sign? ] \| -- [ 100 ] \| [ 1000 ] \| [ 10000 ] -- \| [ Rate? ] \| --[Games]--[T.V.]-[(TLT)]-[Movies]--[Music]-- \|
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ShadowGuard To Err is human; to forgive, infrequent Still Seekin' total posts: 3989 since: Apr 2006	Apr 11, 09 at 8:08pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote ChiroVette I thought the PS2 had a fine start. Oh, and just for the record, I bought TEN games with both my PS2's when the console launched. Some of them were not top notch, but most were good, particularly when you consider it was the ONLY console of its generation out so far, and these were the FIRST games on the platform. Also, I really don't consider the PS2 as having a "slow start" as many SONY fanboys attempt to allude to while defending the PS3's DISMAL library of exclusives up until about 6 months ago when some games started releasing. Or do I need to remind people that after one measly year on the market, the PS2 had GTA III, Ratchet & Clank, Midnight Club I and II, Devil May Cry, Smuggler's Run I and II (and yes I LOVED those games lol) Ridge Racer 5, Time Splitters, SSX and its sequel, and a huge plethora of games I am forgetting. So, if by "slow start" you mean the console launched with 10-15 games (on day one!!) and after a year had DOZENS of really great titles, them LMAO I have to agree! Dont call me a fanboy again mr. moderator, you seem to like calling people names and test that "flaming" boundary, how you became a mod, I will never know. Really great titles are always a matter of opinion and I bet someone had 10 games with the PS3 launch. Sony themselves even stated PS2 had a slow start, but look at this... PS2 sales 1st year PS3 sales 1st year I did not calculate them up exactly, but these graphs look fairly even with the PS2 having a slight edge, but No XBox until later while PS3 came a year after 360. Struggling Nintendo console against PS2 with the dominate Wii against the PS3. Fairly stacked odds dont you think? Nice try... quote Fatal Error You know, solid gameplay I did say gameplay is better, and it is, one would be dumb if someone honestly thought gameplay as gone down. Storylines are the same. quote Fatal Error JRPGs this generation You know what, I agree with this, but look how many are out? like none, however FFXIII and Versus look promising, along with WKC. SO4 was pretty well done as well. But in the case of jRPGs, I agree. quote Fatal Error Jesus, get the shit out of your eyes and actually look. Calm down and get the shit out of your head, FPSs are better than ever, racing games are better than ever, action games are better than ever, fighting games are better than ever. You have one complaint with one genre and you base the entire market off of it, how stupid can you get? quote ChiroVette I personally think Rockstar got seduced by the graphics I actually thought GTAIV graphics were not that good in my opinion, but to each his own. quote ChiroVette Tools of Destruction as well as both Resistance games. What about the 360's Gears I and II and Halo 3? I own and love all those games except Tools of Destruction, havent played it so I cannot judge it. What is your point, they had visuals and gameplay, something that the previous generation did not. Every generation has it bad games, so just dont play em. It is not like PS2 (with the best library in gaming history) had 1000 AMAZING games and 0 bad games. quote Fatal Error Gears II was not a good game single player was amazing, online was...ok -------------------
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DXD Still Tacular Neolithic total posts: 6117 since: Aug 2008	Apr 11, 09 at 8:13pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote ShadowGuard Calm down and get the shit out of your head, FPSs are better than ever, racing games are better than ever, action games are better than ever, fighting games are better than ever. You have one complaint with one genre and you base the entire market off of it, how stupid can you get? I agree, basing your personal opinion off of a general idea and pushing it on people to be true isn't something that should be practiced, but I still understand the basic point that Fatal Error is trying to make. This generation hasn't lived up to every expectation that we fanatics had initially fantasized over. ------------------- [ Sign? ] \| -- [ 100 ] \| [ 1000 ] \| [ 10000 ] -- \| [ Rate? ] \| --[Games]--[T.V.]-[(TLT)]-[Movies]--[Music]-- \|
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mega laser sword guy 1Timothy 4:10 just getting started! total posts: 108 since: Sep 2006	Apr 11, 09 at 11:38pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	Yeah. I thought that if let's say in MGS4 you attack a tree...depending on what you would use on the tree would result in damage each weapon would do. Slashes with a knife would result in slash marks. Different types of bullets would do their independent damage respectively. A shotgun would make the tree split,etc. Maybe our current hardware is capable. Maybe more development teams would be necessary. Incorporating more independent object interaction seems possible. I spend a lot of time in games looking for more of this. Maybe we'll experience more of that soon. It's all a matter of time and memory(yay blue ray!). This message was edited by mega laser sword guy on Apr 11 2009.
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33567 since: Mar 2002	Apr 11, 09 at 11:58pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote ShadowGuard Dont call me a fanboy again mr. moderator, Well if the pocket protector and thick glasses fit, Mr Member, then why not? They certainly seem to in your case more often than not. quote ShadowGuard you seem to like calling people names Mostly just you. Don't take it personal, it's just—actually, you know what? You should take it personal. My mistake. By the way, I did make one minor mistake. The post above that you quoted was meant to be a response to Fatal Error, not to you. I know I said your name as if I was responding to you, but it was a typo as your name was in a quote Fatal was responding to. So you got all bent out of shape for naught. While I accept that I made the mistake, I am amazed that you could not see (by the entire context of my post plus the fact that it was right under his) that I was responding to him. quote ShadowGuard and test that "flaming" boundary, how you became a mod, I will never know. Not a big secret really. I slept my way to the top. I'm not ashamed to say it either. Never underestimate the value of using sexual favors to advance your position in life. It really can make the difference. quote ShadowGuard I did not calculate them up exactly, but these graphs look fairly even with the PS2 having a slight edge, but No XBox until later while PS3 came a year after 360. Except I was talking about the PS3 having a PISS POOR exclusive library up until a few months ago, where the PS2 had an awesome library of titles, INCLUDING the ones I named in the post you were responding to. quote ShadowGuard quote Fatal Error Jesus, get the shit out of your eyes and actually look. Calm down and get the shit out of your head, FPSs are better than ever, racing games are better than ever, action games are better than ever, fighting games are better than ever. You have one complaint with one genre and you base the entire market off of it, how stupid can you get? Well I wouldn't call him stupid. That would be testing the boundaries of flaming wouldn't it? While I do not, for one second think Fatal Error is stupid I do agree with your response if you pull the name calling out of it. Games today, overall are WAY BETTER than they have ever been in history. quote Fatal Error Chiro, Gears II was not a good game. In YOUR opinion and in the opinion of some Gears fans. Many fans loved Gears 2. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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iLLmatic -Messatsu- Hooked on Neo total posts: 4117 since: Oct 2004	Apr 12, 09 at 1:45am re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote ChiroVette In YOUR opinion and in the opinion of some Gears fans. Many fans loved Gears 2. I'm not even delving into the meat of the current argument, but just as you say PlayStation fanboys defend PS3 by referencing the slow start of every PlayStation, which I believe is at the very least a debatable point, many Gears fans also have their blinders on when they speak on Gears 2. It is the same game with a fresh coat of polish on, to me. -------------------
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DXD Still Tacular Neolithic total posts: 6117 since: Aug 2008	Apr 12, 09 at 2:01am re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote ChiroVette Games today, overall are WAY BETTER than they have ever been in history. As it is with every other basic neccessity in society that we can remember. It doesn't mean that everyone has to love it, though most of the time it's hard not to. ------------------- [ Sign? ] \| -- [ 100 ] \| [ 1000 ] \| [ 10000 ] -- \| [ Rate? ] \| --[Games]--[T.V.]-[(TLT)]-[Movies]--[Music]-- \|
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Slumpy monkey Neo or Bust total posts: 7502 GameGrep pts: 3338 since: Nov 2006	Apr 12, 09 at 2:15am re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote iLLmatic quote ChiroVette In YOUR opinion and in the opinion of some Gears fans. Many fans loved Gears 2. I'm not even delving into the meat of the current argument, but just as you say PlayStation fanboys defend PS3 by referencing the slow start of every PlayStation, which I believe is at the very least a debatable point, many Gears fans also have their blinders on when they speak on Gears 2. It is the same game with a fresh coat of polish on, to me. Doesn't really make it a bad game tbh, Lots of sequels are just the same game with a new setting and polish. As example by Gow2, MGS4, Cod games, Sports games etc, Most of them are really good, Cod 4 is hailed like it is Jesus yet its just cod 2 with a Battlefield 2 setting and people who suck cod 4s cock say that anyone who thinks anything is better than it is just a fanboy of whatever game they prefer. If by peoples standards the first game is excellent, then the second game is exactly the same, how is the second game crap and the first game excellent....If their supposed to be the same? [color=#c6d0e7][size=1] ------------------- Steam Forum\|Portfolio
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iLLmatic -Messatsu- Hooked on Neo total posts: 4117 since: Oct 2004	Apr 12, 09 at 2:44am re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	Didn't say it makes it bad, though I do feel that Gears is overrated, but that's irrelevant. I was just using that as an example. To answer your question though, I feel that we have a right and even an obligation to complain if a sequel is too much like the previous game. Obviously, it is going to be similar, but let's face it, there are too many consumers who are too quick to give up their money; They are told what they want. A sequel is supposed to take what was good AND bad about a game, and then improve on it, but as you said many games are the same thing. Devil May Cry 4 is a good example. I've owned every game in the series. The first game was completely new, and it blew everyone away. 2 was just badly made. 3 completely revamped the combat system, and had enough new gameplay elements to make it feel fresh, yet similar enough to the original. 4 was an embarrassment. It brought absolutely nothing new to the series besides HD resolutions, and I'm not even going to get started on what else is wrong with the game. Point is, I'm not going to praise a game, let alone give up my money for something that I already played, just because it's new. And for the record, I don't agree with you on MGS4. They obviously adapted the game for the ever sheepish western audience with it's action shoot 'em up style, though you could play it how you wanted to. -------------------
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BlackLabel true seeker GameGrep pts: 1171 since: Jun 2008	Apr 12, 09 at 1:36pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote Fatal Error Some genres of games have certainly improved, primarily because they rely heavily on graphics and physics (racing games and shooters), but others (fighting and RPGs particularly) have become pretty shitty. You keep saying "some", but quite frankly the number of actual quality games this generation has decreased despite all the competition out there. You think so? As for me shooters haven't improved, their mainstream appeal has been raised but overall shooters of the mid - late 90's are better than 00era shooters. There are a few trump cards in the deck that aid the modern era shooter like Half-Life 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and Counter-Strike but there was nothing like the creativity and ingenuity of the likes of Half-Life, Quake and ultimately Unreal Tournament. I also disagree that RPG games have become shitty. Next generation gaming was kicked off with a bang with Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and then a few years later with Fallout 3. Sure those are offerings from more western developers but there are others like Folklore and even The Witcher. Sure we don't have 300 RPG games a year anymore but that's a good thing, it's like the exact opposite of whats happening with shooters, and for the most part the RPG games we do get are head and shoulders above any games released at any point in history. You say that the number of actual quality games has decreased, but i don't see that i mean just look at the games we have even the "worst" games this generation the likes of Haze and Army of Two are godlike in comparison to games on the PS2 and PS1. We are living in a society spoiled by choice, spoiled by quality, so much so that i don't think we'd know a really good game if it came up a kicked us in the face, we'd still find something to hate about it. -------------------
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ShadowGuard To Err is human; to forgive, infrequent Still Seekin' total posts: 3989 since: Apr 2006	Apr 12, 09 at 10:58pm re: This Generation has been horrible so far
	quote BlackLabel You say that the number of actual quality games has decreased, but i don't see that i mean just look at the games we have even the "worst" games this generation the likes of Haze and Army of Two are godlike in comparison to games on the PS2 and PS1. We are living in a society spoiled by choice, spoiled by quality, so much so that i don't think we'd know a really good game if it came up a kicked us in the face, we'd still find something to hate about it. Quote for the win, bow down before Blacklabel and his wisedom. quote ChiroVette Well if the pocket protector and thick glasses fit, Mr Member, then why not? They certainly seem to in your case more often than not. Well, I understand the very lame analogy, but please provide me reasons of why I am a fanboy? What is your definition of a "fanboy." quote ChiroVette Except I was talking about the PS3 having a PISS POOR exclusive library up until a few months ago, where the PS2 had an awesome library of titles, INCLUDING the ones I named in the post you were responding to. This is a matter of opinion, did you play Folklore, or did you go by the sales numbers and call it a bad game? Heavenly Sword? (but as you know, Sony rarely advertised the first two years, if at all). I have been in college for the past 8 months (therefore have only bought one game (Killzone 2) I have over 20 PS3 games that I enjoy. I do not know if you mean "exclusives" or games available on the PS3, but there are plenty of games to play, most of them just happen to be multiplatform quote ChiroVette That would be testing the boundaries of flaming wouldn't it? 2 things: 1) I am not a mod who has authority and judges what is flaming and what is not then have the ability to act upon it. 2) He used similar language to attack me first, if he did get in trouble, I should not. -------------------
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