This is SOE we're talking about...they will most likely not listen to the players and run this game into the ground like always...sigh. The Agency has a lot of potential, but that potential will be no doubt ruined by SOE...

Both Everquest 1 and 2 were being made for 4/5 years respectively. Stop comparing The Agency to DNF jesus *bleep*ing christ

So you're gonna be stubborn about it even though they confirmed back in like May that both DC Universe and The Agency are scheduled to release in 2010? Be my guest, I suppose =/

We do get videos and interviews every now and then. And what new info do you need? I would hope that most people have understood the game's concept by now and how it's gonna work and stuff, what more could they reveal?

quote Eurogamer

The Agency was demonstrated at E3 and as recently as the SOE Fan Faire in late June, where a friend of Eurogamer told us it was playable and "really quite good".

Good enough for me.

quote Absolute

This is SOE we're talking about...they will most likely not listen to the players and run this game into the ground like always...sigh. The Agency has a lot of potential, but that potential will be no doubt ruined by SOE...

Whats your problem with SOE? From what I've seen they haven't run anything into the ground and only two members of staff have left the studio so what do you mean it had potential?

Most of their games start well and then through patches they change the core gameplay. They always state it for purely making the game better and that the fans wanted it but no one ever wants it. Star Wars: Galaxies was like this.. Picture World of Warcraft before that whole phenomena. Star Wars: Galaxies was essentially that, an unstoppable MMO that had perfect gameplay and community features. Patch after patch SOE killed that game. They first turned it into a third person shooter with tacked on patched controls, they then thought that was too hard and allowed anyone to choose their own class from the start. It was like taking away the heart of an MMO, i mean the only reason people pay hundreds of dollars on MMO's is because the gameplay takes months and years to fulfil. Giving them everything from the start was the games death. SOE are good at times but when they get an idea, *bleep* the fans they will go with it until the game dies.

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quote Absolute

This is SOE we're talking about...they will most likely not listen to the players and run this game into the ground like always...sigh. The Agency has a lot of potential, but that potential will be no doubt ruined by SOE...

Whats your problem with SOE? From what I've seen they haven't run anything into the ground and only two members of staff have left the studio so what do you mean it had potential?

Look up Star Wars Galaxies and what happened to it. I played that game for 3 years, and had to suffer through the ENTIRE game being changed from the ground up....twice.

It went from a unique, 32 class-system down to a 9-class WoW clone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Galaxies#Reception_and_criticism

You can't be succesful without making mistakes. I'm aware MMO's were still nothing then compared to what they are today. The other thing I'll point out is that Star Wars games have alway had a potential but failed! Why? Because what we really want from Star Wars is just not going to be a reality unless the developers stop thinking game and start thinking virtual reality. Cos at the end of the day that seems to be the thing everyone expects from these speculated star wars games.

Anyway my point is mistakes happen. Every developer does it. They go wrong with sequels/prequels, they cancel the wrong projects, they rely on the wrong platforms and have to go multi-platform... mistakes happen.

Thing is Star Wars Galaxies was literally perfect i mean i know Star Wars games in general are really bad games but this was essentially a perfect MMO. They had it right from the very start and for a year or two it was flawless it couldn't have been better and then Sony as Sony do tried to fix what wasn't broken. Had they not tampered and just released the expansions as planned i do not think World of Warcraft would have such a foothold as essentially SOE had 100% of the MMO market. Blizzard wouldn't have stood a chance had SOE left the game alone patching it only to improve server speeds and loadtimes. To me and many old SWG fans it was the best and was absolutely flawless until SOE started to tamper with it. The Agency will probably be the best console MMO of all time for a few years until SOE mess with the fabric of what makes it a success.

quote Motorway Maniac

You can't be succesful without making mistakes. I'm aware MMO's were still nothing then compared to what they are today. The other thing I'll point out is that Star Wars games have alway had a potential but failed! Why? Because what we really want from Star Wars is just not going to be a reality unless the developers stop thinking game and start thinking virtual reality. Cos at the end of the day that seems to be the thing everyone expects from these speculated star wars games.

Anyway my point is mistakes happen. Every developer does it. They go wrong with sequels/prequels, they cancel the wrong projects, they rely on the wrong platforms and have to go multi-platform... mistakes happen.

You obviously never played SWG, so I really don't expect you to understand.

So, imagine this: take WoW, cut the classes down to 4 and remove all talents/tier gear. Would that be a good game? Would people not have disdain towards Blizzard?

Of course they would; and of course I do for what SOE did to SWG.