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Mar 02, 08 at 12:02am
re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

I look at it this way.

Games with guy main characters: Tons of them and A LOT of them are flops.

Games with girl main characters: Not a whole lot in general, but the ones that they do make are usually really good. Besides the ones that I've read in this thread, there is Perfect Dark and Eternal Darkness that I absolutely loved.

Not to mention the fact that most guys would rather watch a girl slash up enemies more so than watching a guy do it.


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re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

quote Chameleon4444
I look at it this way.

Games with guy main characters: Tons of them and A LOT of them are flops.

Games with girl main characters: Not a whole lot in general, but the ones that they do make are usually really good. Besides the ones that I've read in this thread, there is Perfect Dark and Eternal Darkness that I absolutely loved.

Not to mention the fact that most guys would rather watch a girl slash up enemies more so than watching a guy do it.
actually my friends agree we dont prefer playing as any sex to think it dooms games is rubbish
wtf why does sex make a damn difference
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Do girl characters doom Video games?

Guys don't like being portrayed in a game as a girl and we feel insecure. And more guys than girls play video games so thus the "Disappearing" results.


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re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

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I have to agree. Its been deemed by plenty of reviewers as the greatest and most innovative of Wii (and over other controls) FPS controls. And of course it is considered one of the best adventure titles on the Wii. But do you think more people would have bought it if the main character was a guy?
I don't own it, but not because of a gender issue. I just don't care for first-person shooters. But outside of a Wii 'must-have', what about other games with female stars?
Also I've tried MP3, its pretty awesome. I'm just reluctant to spend $50 on a game I wouldn't play too often. Heh...
Your right that game is awsome~!


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re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

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Guys don't like being portrayed in a game as a girl and we feel insecure. And more guys than girls play video games so thus the "Disappearing" results.
That doesn't go for all guys. I like playing Metroid games, and I don't feel insecure.


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Do girl characters doom Video games?

Because Samus doesn't look completely female.



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re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

I don't mind playing as a girl in a game. I've also never overlooked a game based on their being a female protagonist. Its all really just a cause of ratio and hype. Games with female protagonists are few and far between; but when they do show up they tend to be hyped, so if they fail it seems like a bigger loss than it should be. Games with male protagonists are a dime a dozen, and when one fails no one cares because it was probably just a horrible game. I'd venture as far to say that more games with Male protagonists are doomed to fail than are games with women... number-wise i'd be correct, but percentage-wise i'd most likely be wrong.


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re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

quote Evanster48
Because Samus doesn't look completely female.
Yeah, but there's other games I've played and there were girls in them who you played as and I didn't mind.


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re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

girls do not doom video games.

basicly there is one game that without girls would have a tough time making it what it is today and that game is (drumroll plz)

RESIDENT EVIL

in almost every (main) resident evil game the story relies heavily on girls just as much as boys.

i mean many people praise code veronica saying it to be one of the best CLASSICAL r.e. games of all time.

and throught the first 15 or so hours (if its your 1st time playing) of that game is only playable through a girl.

and in other games you had a choice to choose between girl and boy and many chose the girl.

resident evil without girls will make it JUST like the movies

misunderstood and totally unbearable.

and im sure that more games treat girls this way.
there was this amazing multiplatform game were you play
as this girl taking photos trying to uncover a deadly truth
though i forgot what it was called. (i hope they make a sequel though)


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re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

First off, I'm glad this thread got popular again, as it feels very important. Now, I wanna touch on something Dai said earlier:
quote Dai
We've talked about existing games with female leads, but a few people have mentioned another thing on my mind. What if...

The GTA titles had female main characters. Or the Legend of Zelda series did feature Zelda as the main character everytime. What if, like I said before, Master Chief was a girl- A year back I witnessed a whole thread of Halo fans deem Halo 3 unplaybale if Master Chief somehow turned out to be a girl.
Would it hurt or help today's most popular games to have this gender switch? Some say Heavenly Sword is God of War with better graphics and a female lead- but that's hardly an example to go by. What if Sonic's games had been made with a female character? What if Prince/Princess of Persia, Fable, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Zack and Wiki, Final Fantasy, Call of Duty, Super Peach Galaxy, or any other great game/series had the switch? Would you care? Maybe, maybe not. Heh...
I can see what you're getting at, but there's another factor when replacing a factor: iconic value. Like replacing Mario for example: people don't play Mario games just because he's a male character, they play because most people grew up playing his games for over 20 years.

Now some cases, I think it can work. Just about all the games you mentioned, it could work. Some cases, like Call of Duty, Sonic, Halo, and Prince of Persia would have to explain why you're playing as a girl and not the normal male protagonist that their series is known for. But otherwise, yeah go for it.

Hmm, now I'm starting to wonder how would a Princess of Persia game be like...


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re: Do girl characters doom Video games?

quote MusiKon
First off, I'm glad this thread got popular again, as it feels very important. Now, I wanna touch on something Dai said earlier:
quote Dai
We've talked about existing games with female leads, but a few people have mentioned another thing on my mind. What if...

The GTA titles had female main characters. Or the Legend of Zelda series did feature Zelda as the main character everytime. What if, like I said before, Master Chief was a girl- A year back I witnessed a whole thread of Halo fans deem Halo 3 unplaybale if Master Chief somehow turned out to be a girl.
Would it hurt or help today's most popular games to have this gender switch? Some say Heavenly Sword is God of War with better graphics and a female lead- but that's hardly an example to go by. What if Sonic's games had been made with a female character? What if Prince/Princess of Persia, Fable, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Zack and Wiki, Final Fantasy, Call of Duty, Super Peach Galaxy, or any other great game/series had the switch? Would you care? Maybe, maybe not. Heh...
I can see what you're getting at, but there's another factor when replacing a factor: iconic value. Like replacing Mario for example: people don't play Mario games just because he's a male character, they play because most people grew up playing his games for over 20 years.

Now some cases, I think it can work. Just about all the games you mentioned, it could work. Some cases, like Call of Duty, Sonic, Halo, and Prince of Persia would have to explain why you're playing as a girl and not the normal male protagonist that their series is known for. But otherwise, yeah go for it.

Hmm, now I'm starting to wonder how would a Princess of Persia game be like...
You've hit on some good points. Its hard to imagine such games not still becoming popular. I must agree, though I still question it. Would Mario be the icon he is today, had he been a woman? It becomes a question of how difficult it is for a female character to become an 'icon'.
Even if the gameplay was the same in Super Maria Sisters, would people have flocked to it at the time? What guy would go to school bragging about how far he got in such a game? To some extent, times are different now. Yet, in so many ways, they are the same.

As I said, look at gaming's most recognizable female icons. Samus- many didn't know who she was until Smash Bros. 64- some swore she was a guy back then. Lara Croft? Popularized by sex appeal- granted, the game itself is supposed to be great. What if Lara was plain and unappealing though? Then what? Peach and Zelda- popularized by their male counterparts. Who else is universally recognized?

In a world where every generic, grizzled soldier with a troubled past and a chip on his shoulder sells like hotcakes, female leads are often ignored. Its a sad trend that causes fantastic games to fall through the cracks.
At this point, I'm ready to just shrug and say its similar to the way boys don't 'play with dolls or barbies'. Society purposely gears its males and females toward different paths. That's the only conclusion I can come to. I guess. Heh...


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