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quote Mave Zero

Eh.. I tend to steer clear of any shooting games on the Wii. They aren't ever that great.

Lemme guess, you haven't tried any of 'em, or only played crap like Red Steel? You should try looking into games like Call of Duty and The Conduit more, they offer some of the best experiences to be had on the wii, and certainly the best online play.

quote KYOOBIKLEEZ

Lemme guess, you haven't tried any of 'em, or only played crap like Red Steel? You should try looking into games like Call of Duty and The Conduit more, they offer some of the best experiences to be had on the wii, and certainly the best online play.

Lemme guess, you've never played any other consoles FPS or only the crap ones? Compared to other consoles Wii FPS are really bad. You can sya "Oh, WaW and The Conduit are good." But they're not. They're good for a Wii FPS, but not overall.

quote Dragon ZERO

quote KYOOBIKLEEZ

Lemme guess, you haven't tried any of 'em, or only played crap like Red Steel? You should try looking into games like Call of Duty and The Conduit more, they offer some of the best experiences to be had on the wii, and certainly the best online play.

Lemme guess, you've never played any other consoles FPS or only the crap ones? Compared to other consoles Wii FPS are really bad. You can sya "Oh, WaW and The Conduit are good." But they're not. They're good for a Wii FPS, but not overall.

Actually, I've played lots of shooters, but I only have a wii and ps2, like a lot of other people. For us gamers who aren't rich and can't afford to spend hundreds of dollars on multiple systems, $60 games, and pay-to-play online, the wii is great. And IR makes wii shooters control way better than many FPS games on other consoles.

Yes they are good for wii FPS, and there are some aspects in which they fall short (graphics, FCs), but if you've got nothing better to do than hate on games (that work perfectly fine) just because they're on the wii, go post on a 360 board for cryin' out loud. Why are you even here if you hate it so damn much?


Or you can try and tell me why you think wii shooters suck instead of posting trolly spam with no explanation.

I've been on the Wii forum regular for a year. I don't hate the system
Though if you want a civilized argument, which I am all for, don't call me a troll. When I'm not. Trolling is saying something without support continuously and not giving support at any point.

However I know a consoles ups and downs. The Wii has an innovative control scheme, great party games, fantastic single player experiences, quality first-party support, and some of the best games of all time. But the Wii lacks in technical prowess and online capabilities, which are the two most important FPS aspects. Yes the Wii has a great control scheme for the genre to some, but to many others (including myself) it just doesn't "feel" right, ya know? Pricing, though while important in a console war, really doesn't factor into game quality on retail releases.

Every time me and my friends talk about video games, they usually end up saying I should start reviewing? Why? Because even if I love something to death, I can still rip holes and flaws. I don't list that a game has great "everything" like how a Mario fan would say "great story" also. I love the Wii, but know it's downfalls. These flaws are very noticeable in the FPS genre.

And daaammmnnn, I went off a rant. I forgot what even my original point was. Well that's what you get for calling me a 360 fanboy

quote Dragon ZERO

I've been on the Wii forum regular for a year. I don't hate the system
Though if you want a civilized argument, which I am all for, don't call me a troll. When I'm not. Trolling is saying something without support continuously and not giving support at any point.

However I know a consoles ups and downs. The Wii has an innovative control scheme, great party games, fantastic single player experiences, quality first-party support, and some of the best games of all time. But the Wii lacks in technical prowess and online capabilities, which are the two most important FPS aspects. Yes the Wii has a great control scheme for the genre to some, but to many others (including myself) it just doesn't "feel" right, ya know? Pricing, though while important in a console war, really doesn't factor into game quality on retail releases.

Every time me and my friends talk about video games, they usually end up saying I should start reviewing? Why? Because even if I love something to death, I can still rip holes and flaws. I don't list that a game has great "everything" like how a Mario fan would say "great story" also. I love the Wii, but know it's downfalls. These flaws are very noticeable in the FPS genre.

And daaammmnnn, I went off a rant. I forgot what even my original point was. Well that's what you get for calling me a 360 fanboy

You know, I'm really glad you turned out to be someone who can talk intelligently.

You mention the wii's technical shortcomings, online capabilities, and control schemes as factors that detract from the wii FPS experience. While I plead no contest to the wii's... ahem... less-than-amazing graphics, your other two points aren't as convincing. While friend codes are irritating and cumbersome, they aren't all that bad when you get used to it. And FCs don't have to be used; EA proved that with their EA Nation on MOH:H2. So the wii has the capabilities to have an online service on par with the rest of the crowd if developers are willing to go the extra mile. As for controls, you're the first person I've ever heard complain about the wiimote. It's perfectly suited to FPS games... it mimics a mouse and keyboard remarkably well. So well that you'd think the wiimote was designed for the FPS genre.

Even with friend codes, you can have just as much fun with a wii shooter as you can with one on any other system. Treyarch is proving this with Call of Duty Modern Warfare Reflex, which is an almost direct port of MW, with only a coupla things missing (wii speak, the four DLC maps). It has %90+ of the original content, with new extra stuff thrown in to boot. That's why I'm trying to call attention to this game here. You mention one of the wii's advantages to be having great first-party support; here's to hoping more third party developers follow Treyarch's example and take the wii seriously.

FPS games can be done on wii extremely well; there's nothing about the wii that keeps developers from making a good game. And while fancy HD graphics are nice, I'd trade it for superior controls any day. It's hard for me to go back to analog sticks now that I've gotten used to such precise and intuitive control.

If first person shooters don't suit your personal taste, or if you don't like how the wiimote feels, that's fine. But don't say they can't be good on wii... they can, they have been, and they will continue to get better as developers realize that the wii also has a hardcore market.

I've never played Call of Duty 3, but I heard it was terrible. Maybe it's time to try a new FPS?

quote Zeta

What? Well, I'll be the second. The controls feel awkward, and when playing some FPS games, its harder to aim. The mouse has better control, but the Wii remote is really sensitive to shaking. And don't say that controls don't detract from the FPS experience, because the whole point of an FPS is to point and click so to speak, and if it can't be done well because of crappy controls, then whats the point of playing?

Um... I don't recall asserting that bad controls don't detract from games. In fact, the wii's controls were pretty much the main basis for my Wii Superiority argument.

quote Zeta

Precise? Hardly, unless you have incredibly still hands after 30 or so minutes. After playing Call of Duty 3 for 45 minutes, my arm starts to get tired from aiming at the screen. Also, if you make a wrong motion, instead of shooting or something you start to reload... After playing Call of Duty 3 for 45 minutes, my arm starts to get tired from aiming at the screen.

I play CoDWAW for 1-2 hours at a time and my arm works just fine... maybe you need to work out? jk

I really have no idea why you have such trouble with the controls, other than the fact that cod3 was a crappy game.

And yes, it is extremely precise. When I play FPS games on my ps1 or ps2, I often find my self pointing in the direction of a target, but with the reticle just slightly off. The analog sticks are way too imprecise to nudge the reticle slightly over so I can hit the baddie; so what do I find myslef doing? I either wait for it to walk/run/crawl/slither/bunnyhop into my line of sight, then shoot, or MOVE MYSLEF TO THE SIDE SO MY RETICLE LINES UP WITH IT. That's pretty bad. And you know what? I've never had to do that on wii.

quote Zeta

Maybe true, but the casual market > the hardcore market. Developer's main goal is to make money, and the casual audience is greater on the Wii.

Unfortunately, there is a large casual market that just adds to the wii's "kiddy machine" image. But there is a good number of people that have wiis and also like to play something meatier than wii play. Do you know why CoD4 MW Reflex (widely considered to be one of the greatest shooters ever to race consoles, if not THE greatest) is being ported to Ninty's little white box? Because CoD:WAW was a great success. And if MW turns out to be successful, they said they'd port MW2 as well. And who do you think has stuck with nintendo and supported them all these years? Was it the casual crowd and their grandpa? Or was it the "core" audience? And who do you think will be more likely to continue supporting nintendo? I would say the "core" audience... that is, unless nintendo stops making "core" games. Then they'll have people buying wiis with a software attach rate of 0... that's wii sports. It comes packed in with all its casual goodness, what more could people want?



EDIT: Holy shit I gotta start writing shorter posts...

The Wiimote control scheme has the potential to be awesome, but online they are worse than 360/PS3. Online is much laggier, games take longer to find, etc. I very much enjoyed The Conduit control scheme, thing is, online was far too laggy and glitchy, and matchamking was too slow. These flaws come from the Wiis shortcomings. Plus with Sonys wiimote knock-off, they'll have the advantage of superior controls (possibly), graphics, and horsepower.

quote KYOOBIKLEEZ

EDIT: Holy shit I gotta start writing shorter posts...

it's bbb. He's contagious

Actually, Tcon's slow matchmaking isn't the wii's fault. High Voltage used some wierdass system that makes you connect to every individual player instead of just the host, or something like that (I'm not exactly a techie). It eliminates the "host advantage" found in most games, but not much else. If you ever played CoDWAW you'd know that matchmaking can work just fine on wii, and lag isn't an issue unless some screwhead with a terrible connection is hosting.



Anyway, back on topic, if you liked Tcon's control setup, you're sure to like CoDMW's controls as well. They're fully customizable, just like Tcon.

Thing is, I want a game where I can chose motion or DA. Reason is motion is like "the bestest thing ever" for long range precision shots, and would make my bolt-actioning way better in WaW, but I prefer the comfort of DAs for SMGs and such. I'm hard to please