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Oct 26, 09 at 5:48am
Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

I was just thinking, seeing as Big Mamma/Eva had access to big Boss's (actually Solidus') body, wouldn't she have known all along that it wasn't actually Big Boss, but really Solidus? Knowing this, she shouldn't have chucked that big fit before she died, knowing full well that there was yet another chance to revive Big Boss. Viewers easily found out about this as when they saw the corpse, the eye-patch was on the wrong eye (Left Eye instead of Right). With that being said, Big Mamma/EVA should have known first hand, seeing as she was able to keep in contact the body at her will. Even if she did forget, there was that painting of Big Boss in the hideout which accurately showed the eye-patch on the correct eye. I bet you're thinking that she knew all along and it was only her acting, but in actuality, it was in the game that they explained that she was convinced that Liquid really did destroy the last remains of Big Boss. So, does this make sense at all?


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re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

AaI~ You DO know that the last time she saw Big Boss was 40 years before this game took place right?

She could've forgotten. 40 years is a long time.

Not everyone has a good memory. Plus Big Mama wasn't even that old. Only around 60 something. It's very rare for someone to get Alzheimers in their 60's.


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re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

Wow, I didn't notice the eye patch thing. I hardly remember the corpse as nothing but a robot looking thing. Nice catch I suppose!



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re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

quote Machienzo
I bet you're thinking that she knew all along and it was only her acting, but in actuality, it was in the game that they explained that she was convinced that Liquid really did destroy the last remains of Big Boss.
Where exactly in the game does it say she was convinced and not just acting?


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Oct 27, 09 at 7:01pm
re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

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Big Mama wasn't even that old. Only around 60 something. It's very rare for someone to get Alzheimers in their 60's.
Make that actually around 79, 78.
She was born in 1935 or 36, and the game takes place in 2014.

And no, she did knew that was Solidus, but she "Played out her part" for The Patriots to think that Solidus is Big Boss.
Sacrifices had to be made, and the people that knew about it had no choice but to play out their parts as realistic as possible, even if they had to die for it.


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Oct 27, 09 at 10:23pm
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And no, she did knew that was Solidus, but she "Played out her part" for The Patriots to think that Solidus is Big Boss.
Sacrifices had to be made, and the people that knew about it had no choice but to play out their parts as realistic as possible, even if they had to die for it.
A valid theory but this game is rather cryptic on some matters. Also, I recall Big Mama specifically saying she doesn't need to feel the wind any more, hiding who she really is and being someone else. Perhaps she was convinced that some how Ocelot got his hands on Big Boss(since as far as every one but Ocelot knew Big Boss' code was the only one that would grant access to the system).

Once again though, I have no way to prove this but I find it hard to believe she would throw herself into a fire to trick the patriots especially after her little speech. But then again she was the on who put Big Boss back together with pieces of Liquid and Solidus, So how could she mistake this skinless body for Big Boss?
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re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

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Once again though, I have no way to prove this but I find it hard to believe she would throw herself into a fire to trick the patriots especially after her little speech.
It's also possible she had some idea of Foxdie, either through knowing about it or feeling its effects. If she knew the end was coming, why not throw your life away for the cause?

Also I always felt the wind remark meant she felt content, having met her son and making a stand against the patriots.


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re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

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I find it hard to believe she would throw herself into a fire to trick the patriots especially after her little speech.
She knew when her part was done, and even if she didn't jump into the fire, she would've died anyway.
Letting her jump into the fire, is hard to believe that she would do that, even though knowing it isn't Big Boss, but that's exactly what she tried to do with the Patriots, letting them believe she would die beside him in a fire.
She was the one that kinda kept watch over the body of Big Boss, and she watched it with her life.
Ofcourse, since Solidus was more like a distraction, she still has to play her part as if it is Big Boss' body.
Solidus was the perfect Clone to Big Boss, it even was perfect enough to let the system believe it was Big Boss.

Not sure if the System recognises the physical looks of Solidus or Big Boss, but by nanomachines, I think only the genes and I dunno what in the body is what they only recognised from Big Boss is what fooled them in a way.

But anyway, I think if it was the actuall Body of Big Boss that was thrown in the fire, then She would do the same thing, if all is lost, then there's no reason for her to continue to keep fighting, Big Boss' body was her mean goal in her life to protect probably.
And if it was destroyed, then what's left for her?

Since Big Boss was alive and safe somewhere, she still had to play her part as if Solidus was Big Boss, and do exactly what she would do in a situation that would happen if it was Big Boss, the patriots have to believe, in even the smallest ways like this, the smallest details of affection and emotion, has to be as real and believable as possible, one strange detail of something not logical, in emotional or physical, is probably enough for the Patriots to realise that there isn't something not right about it, and might get a suspicion about it, and coming that from the Patriots is probably not good, because they can counter it with something quickly, if they'r eon to something, even if it's tiny and smallish and little detailish, they might find out, so whatever is going on has to be as believable as possible, even if you don't believe it.


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Nov 02, 09 at 4:21am
re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

No, I'm certain that I read that she was legitimately convinced it was Big Boss. My source being from the Official Strategy Guide for the game, but I guess it might be speculation on the authour's part.


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re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

I'm pretty sure that its stated in the Official MGS Database that Big Mama killed herself just to keep up the facade, and knew that the body wasn't of Big Boss. I'll check later.


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re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

That is possible but since she is going through all this trouble to convince the patriots Big Boss is dead where is Big Boss? I was under the impression he was in brain dead captivity of the patriots. If Eva had Big Boss why couldn't she just deactivate his mind control nanomachines? Ocelot could do it with Naomi's help and apparently Naomi was involved with Big Boss' revival since she "told him everything".

Also I read through the database and I'm not sure if it fits perfectly into the series. For example it claims Ocelot used ability to communicate with the dead(which he inherited from his father the Sorrow) to become Liquid but in the end of MGS4 Big Boss clearly says you can't change one person into another and that he was acting.
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re: Did Big Mamma have alzheimers? *Spoilers*

Big Boss mentions that the Patriots had to be destroyed for him to be revived. The AIs were probably controlling the coma-inducing nanomachines directly.

And thats because of spoilers. The database has two parts- one part, which is unlocked from the start, and which contains all the info on the series before MGS4, and the second part, which contains info (and spoilers) from MGS4, and which requires a story complete MGS$ save to unlock. In the non-spoiler part, they say that Ocelot was channeling Liquid's spirit, but in the second part, they say that what everyone thought was wrong, and that Ocelot was still himself.


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