quote Tenken

To honestly say that DOA hasn't changed is possibly the stupidest thing I've heard anyone say about DOA. It's changed more than Tekken and Virtua Fighter EASILY.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never compared DOA to another fighting game, I said that since it's arrival on the XBox (DOA3) it's remained virtually unchanged apart from...

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adding in ground game, online tag, and revamping a lot of characters.

In other words, a lick of paint. If you really think a tune up and online modes are the biggest change ever to happen to a fighting game series you're deluded. Removing all but 2 of the exising characters, and building the game from scratch using an entirely fresh game engine and graphical style? That's a change.

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To honestly say that NG hasn't changed, you'd only be half-right. Black and Sigma(the former being the better) pretty much were rehashes with more content.

Which is almost exactly what I said, so how is that "Half-right"? NGII isn't even out yet so don't bring that into it. I'm talking about games that people have played and are in a position to judge, not fanboy wetdreams.

quote Jake Rockwell

I'm talking about games that people have played and are in a position to judge, not fanboy wetdreams

Hahahaha funniest thing i've heard on neoseeker for a while

Where did I put words in your mouth? Didn't, I was making that comparison on my own.

Lick of paint? I highly bet you haven't even played Dead or Alive 4, meaning you wouldn't know if it's changed. It's changed enough that most DOA fans don't like it as much as previous titles. Ground game alone completely changes a great deal. Removing all but two characters and starting from scratch? I don't even know what game you're talking about, but those characters must have sucked

Fanboy wetdream? Watch some *bleep*ing videos before spouting your nonsense, if you can't tell what's changed then go back to playing your NES.

Yes, those characters that were removed from the series I mentioned must have sucked, being the iconic characters in Streetfighter 2, you know, the game that all modern fighting games are based around in some way.

Put it like this. I like Soul Calibur. You could even say I'm a fan of Soul Calibur. But I know Damn well that Soul Calibur has not changed apart from a 'lick of paint' since the move from PS1 to Dreamcast. Certain new things may have been bolted on, the graphics may be nicer, and there's a few new characters here and there. But the game engine and gameplay is basically exactly the same as it was on Dreamcast. And the exact same criticism applies to DOA. Yes I have played every DOA game and enjoyed them all, although probably not with the same feverish obsession as you. Are there new things bolted on here and there? Yep. Are the graphics nicer? Yep. Is it basically the same game as I was playing back in 2002? Yep.

Now you haven't played NGII, and 'watching some *bleep*ing videos' isn't going to tell you or me anything concrete about what the finished game is actually like to play through compared to the previous games, so why would I use NGII in an argument? I didn't, you brought NGII into this in a desperate attempt to make up for the fact that I was correct about The Ninja Gaiden series so far. Great game though it may be, the various incarnations which have been released so far have all been tweaked versions of the game that arrived on the XBox in 2004.

I do love the irony of you telling me to go and play my NES, when you just mentioned Tecmo Bowl, which according to the internet, came out in 1987.

Why do we climb the tower? There is no why. We climb it because it is there.

In other news, this is wandering from the original point of the debate, I suggest a breather and can of Coke for all participants before resuming discussion. Then again, I'm not sure exactly what there is to discuss...

Yeah, I'll agree to disagree on this one, Tenken does make some fair points, I thought I did as well. I'll go and play Punch Out for a bit.

Ninja Gaiden 2 looks better than DMC 4 in my eyes. A lot of games were better than DMC 4 in fact. I mean like I said in a previous post, DMC 4 wasn't the best title in the series. In fact it was down right disapointing. Not counting the fact that you only played as Dante for 7 missions just plain sucks, but we were promised more weapons, more combos, more of what Kobayashi and Itsuno promised but never delivered.

At least in Weaponry, it looks like we are getting a pretty good amount of weapons in the next Ninja Gaiden. As far as pulling Combos is concerned, it definitely has a learning curve in the Ninja Gaiden games, but once you get use to it, it's actually pretty cool to see and in a lot of ways surpasses Devil May Cry. Hell even Ninja Gaiden Sigma surpassed DMC 4 in terms of combos and weaponry. At least in my eyes.

There's a demo for NGII?

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Again your comparing apples to oranges Tenken. DMC is no where near the quality of Ninja Gaiden, I expect a great developer like Itagaki, to make fantastic games. Capcom hasn't really been known to make stellar games on a constant basis like Itagaki.

I wish I could slap you with a wet trout for such verbal dribble. Capcom games have been more sucessful than anything Itagaki has created, DMC has sold millions. Name me how much NG has sold please? WOW NG AND DOA thats soooooo brilliant *sarcasm*


This message was edited by CapcomDevil on May 30 2008.

My god Final Blade, you utter idiot. Ninja Gaiden is 3 games. Sigma wasn't that good; so your point about Itakagi making lots of great games one after another is absolute rubbish.

Now let's think about Capcom.
Resident Evil series- all bloody awesome (except Dead Aim, Survivor, and Umbrella Chronicles. w/ev though.)
Mega Man- absolutely awesome.
Devil May Cry- Great series. duh.
Clock Tower- Damn creepy, even for old games.
Phoenix Wright- Pretty good.
Okami- Hands down, my second favourite PS2 game. An awesome, beautiful game.

I COULD GO ON FOR AGES, you BLOODY IDIOT.

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DMC4 probably would have boosted PS3 sales, NG wouldn't have. If NG is so brilliant, I don't see a que for it, or many people buying. Millions bought the PS3, its no excuse for it being poor.