quote Storm

I know the general story of DMC4, BloodyDove, but the backstory is major crap. It's just a damsel in distress story, with some new faces who are very mysterious, and not in a good way. There were many plotholes in DMC4 to me.

Oh I knew that you knew the general story of DMC 4. I was just talking about that in reference to the comment that was above yours originally. And I agree, I thought new faces were nothing that special in this game. Frankly a lot of the newer bad guys just annoyed the crap out of me.

But like the person before me said, The backtracking was another issue as well. I mean weren't we promised different levels from Nero as well? Seems like a cop out to me.

The story was pretty ho hum. Not that the other stories were that much better but at least they revolved around the main character of the series. Which once again brings me to my whole "They should've kept the character the same" argument. As far as messing up Dante is concerned, my only problem with him was that he had less weapons than he did in the previous game.

Nero replace Dante as the main lead I thought was a HUGE mistake. He doesn't have a tenth of the charisma or attitude that Dante had and for the most part, it seemed like he was just a carbon copy of Dante as I stated before. I agree that Dante could've also used the Devil Bringer as well. I mean like I said they could've easily made it another style. I wouldn't have given him the red queen though. I mean he would probably make it ten times cooler but he has rebellion. And that sword doesn't need a motor to generate power.

Never a huge Vergil fan. But if I had to choose between him and Nero, I would definitely go with Vergil.

"What I'm saying is that Capcom didn't move forward. They moved Backward instead. DMC4 is still a terrific game. It's not what it should be, though. They changed the series' direction."

I couldn't agree more. I was kinda hoping for an explanation on why a lot of things were taken out in this game and replaced with…well…crap lol. I thought the whole idea of a religious group tampering with supernatural powers was campy , but hey here's hoping that DMC 5 will be a very Dante centric game.

For those new to the series... DMC4. The story doesn't need any past info or know-how.

quote Robert Ninja

For those new to the series... DMC4. The story doesn't need any past info or know-how.

Yeah...except that it's the...fourth game in the series. Not to mention explaining WHO dante is and why he's in the game and what he had to do with the game as well. I mean there were some stuff also that needed to be answered. Even for those who've been following the series since DMC 1.

The annoying thing is that we can't pretend this game didn't exist. Unlike DMC2's story, this one actually shakes the core plot of all the series. It announces a new Sparda descendant, it leaves way too much questions and introduces too many crappy characters.

I bet they made this one already thinking in the next game. So instead of having a full game we had half of it and now, we have to wait for DMC5 to see all of our questions solved. Which sucks, since they're gonna make two crappy DMC games in a row D:
I wanna know how they got their hands in Yamato. I wanna know what happened to Vergil, I wanna know why was Dante so cool with Nero. He must have know something since the beginning and I wanna know Nero's origins. Thanks Capcom, for explaining nothing. For every answer they gave us, 3 questions where given as well...

Also, if this game wasn't even a DMC I wouldn't mind. It'd be great actually, playing with a Dante cameo in another franchise, Viewtifull Joe did.

Meh...

well if you really wanted to, you can say DMC 4 isn't part of the series lol.

I dunno I'd still count Devil May Cry 2. I mean even though the game was garbage compared to 1 and 3 it's still part of the series and it has references to Dante and Sparda and what not. It was just a bad game is all, but it's still part of the series in my eyes.

I do agree that it announced a new Sparda Bloodline. Which does cheapen the storyline a bit because I feel that's just a crutch to say "Oh guess what. There's ANOTHER Son Of Sparda"

I think they made this one as Kobayashi stated to "get new fans" even though it's the 4th game in the series. But I do think that DMC 5 will follow the same formula that DMC 1 and 3 followed. It would make the game great again. I mean keeping the main guy the same and adding newer Devil arms and what not? That would be great to see again. I mean I think people here know I'm not a fan of Nero and his goofy little arm but I think Capcom can answer those questions and keep Dante the main guy again.

You make a lot of good points Superdante.

quote BloodyDove

You make a lot of good points Superdante.

Thank you :p

But I guess everyone agrees then. DMC3's better :p
We can already see that by watching it's community. DMC4's community is dead, which is pityful. DMC1's and DMC3's one was a great community, but they started slowly dying when DMC4 came out as well. Well, atleast this is the way I see it. If I could record ( hopefully in a near future :p ) I'd be pleased trying to make vids, but I guess people, too, are loosing interest on the game :/

For me:

What DMC3 does better than DMC4:
- More devil arms and guns
- More styles
- Alot more bosses and enemies
- No going back to the exact same levels (the same location but the layout's completely changed for the latter levels)
- Better story
- Vergil actually felt like a truly unique character, unlike Nero who feels like Dante 2.0 with a tacked-on romance plot

What DMC4 does better:
- Devil Bringer
- Pandora (although more forms would have been nice)
- Instant style switching
- Ability to sell unwanted moves

So all in all I personally think that DMC3 is better but that doesn't mean that DMC4 was completely inferior. Not as good as DMC3, but still a good game.

Backtracking is boring as hell. It is like playing the same thing twice. Even the bosses are the same. Don't get me wrong, I love DMC4 and it is a really good game, just i feel that backtracking was cheap. Also Nero should have at least couple of more guns and swords.

Though DMC3 with DMC 4 graphics would make one hell of a game

I'm sure next one will be better. They don't have to rush to get it out and are more exoerienced programming on PS3.

To be fair the storyline and voice acting have never been particularly strong in any DMC, in fact a vast majority of the cutscenes from 1,2,3 and 4 are very, very cheesy and in some places cringe-inducing. But thats not what I play DMC for, I play DMC because I haven't really played many other games where the gameplay is as enjoyable, hell I like Onimusha but the characters movements feel positively wooden compared to the fluidity and flexibility of DMC. The pace and freedom of movement of play in DMC gets the adrenaline going.
In DMC4 however Nero feels sluggish and stiff compared to controlling Dante in previous games (especially 3) its not until you actually control Dante in 4 that you feel free to move as you expect to be able to, its as if someone has taken a straight-jacket off you.
The DMC series success IMO is due to the frenetic 'arcade-style' action the games allow, Nero is a step away from this.

Woah =O Aint been on the DMC4 board for a while.

Anyhoo...if your new to the series; DMC4 is your first choice. Your introduced to the new character Nero and the series has started fresh with this installation. It has an unlockable at the end from completing any mode telling and overview of the events which occured in all DMC games.
DMC (as a whole) isn't the basis of all story-telling; but it's highly entertaining and pertains its own atmosphere.
I personally don't ask for advice on which game to choose, as people who usually play DMC4 first or DMC1 tend to like DMC4 the most. DMC3 is a metal, hyperactive, weapon-weilding mad house. It's definatly one of the best.
DMC4's story has alot of plotholes, but damn i enjoyed that game and definatly my favourite in the series thus far due to its lighter atmosphere and training away from the usual gloomy castles and towns. Definatly enjoyed the smoother gameplay and moveset.

See that's another thing. If they are new to the series, why would they start on the 4th game? That makes no sense at all. I mean this whole "We want to get newer fans to the series" argument in terms of making a new lead is kinda dumb because well…guess what team capcom? You're about 4 games too late. And a fresh start with a new installation? Well they could've done that with keeping the main guy the same as well because technically EVERY installation is a "Fresh start"

As far as the whole basis of story telling goes, it's still their JOB to tell the story and be consistent with it. I mean they are game developers after all and it should be at least consistent and for continuity sake follow what the previous games did. I'm not expecting an Oscar like story or something that will grasp me, but it has to at least flow well. But from the people I talk to, the people who played the older DMC games preferred 1 or 3 more than the 4 game since 4 lacked a lot of what 1 and 3 had.

Well hopefully Capcom learned from this mistake.

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See that's another thing. If they are new to the series, why would they start on the 4th game?

Let's take Metal Gear Solid; no one can play MGS4 because it's progressed too deep into the story, and no one knows wtf is going on. I know people who say it looks fantastic, but cannot play it from lack of knowledge, and can't be asked looking for the others.

Face it; not many people are willing to venture to buy an old game as DMC1 same with MGS1. So why not make a new game, with updated graphics and character with an explanation at the end to what happened before. Buying DMC4 usually makes people venture backwards to the others.
Capcom want more fans, which equals more money and publicity. There's no DMC game without Dante, but it's boring if you keep reusing the same people with no variation; thus making it into a dry prune quickly.
DMC could have easily gone on more with Dante alone for 1-2 games. It's the new generation, old fans had seized onto other series; so garner new fans.

Capcom probably learned the mistake; I think Kobayashi was spammed with mail anyway. Hopefully the story and Nero should be given more insight.

Well Metal Gear Solid 4 is weaving in other stories so yeah they wouldn't start with metal Gear Solid 4 or any of the games without playing the first few Metal Gears, so there goes Kobayshi and Itsuno's BS excuse of "Oh we want to get in new fans." At the 4th game? Like I said. Someone is 4 games too late. You get the bulk of your fans in your earlier installments. Not so far and so late as DMC 4 or in a next gen console installment. Once again…4 games too late.

That's why DMC 1 and MGS 1 game out in pre backs before hand in packages. So the fans can GET into the series. But to STAT the series at the 4th game? I don't know many people who start MGS 4 first then play MGS 1 last because it weaves in other parts of previous games. You can't play MGS 4 without knowing what happened in MGS 1 2 or three. Same with Any games in series. I mean you CAN technically but that would be silly. Saying buying DMC 4 will make people go backwards into the series, well maybe. As silly as that sounds but like I said, people are going to see that it's the 4th game. Not the first. You don't start the Lord Of The Rings series with The Return Of The King and then watch Fellow Ship Of The Ring first.

I guess if someone wanted to they can, but making a new character the main guy isn't gonna make it happen. Reusing the same people does not mean the same variation nor does it mean it gets boring. Nintendo has used their same namesake characters through out all their games and they continue to get newer fans. Link has been the main Hero for years now and Twilight Princess is one of the Wii's best game. So I don't really buy Kobayashi's BS and if he honestly believes that, then well he should step down from game designs and let someone else take his place.

It turns into a "Dried up prune" when nothing new or anything substantial is added to the newer series. IE DMC 4 add nothing new except the Devil Bringer and a stupid lovey dovey story line that would be expected in something like the CW's Gossip Girl. As far as bringing in new fans goes, I guess you can do that, but it's gonna be hard to do so because like I said, at your 4th game? You gotta do something really sick in order to do so.

As far as Nero is concerned, I wouldn't say no to more insight…as a supporting character. That's where he belongs after all.

quote BloodyDove

Well Metal Gear Solid 4 is weaving in other stories so yeah they wouldn't start with metal Gear Solid 4 or any of the games without playing the first few Metal Gears, so there goes Kobayshi and Itsuno's BS excuse of "Oh we want to get in new fans." At the 4th game? Like I said. Someone is 4 games too late. You get the bulk of your fans in your earlier installments. Not so far and so late as DMC 4 or in a next gen console installment. Once again…4 games too late.

That's why DMC 1 and MGS 1 game out in pre backs before hand in packages. So the fans can GET into the series. But to STAT the series at the 4th game? I don't know many people who start MGS 4 first then play MGS 1 last because it weaves in other parts of previous games. You can't play MGS 4 without knowing what happened in MGS 1 2 or three. Same with Any games in series. I mean you CAN technically but that would be silly. Saying buying DMC 4 will make people go backwards into the series, well maybe. As silly as that sounds but like I said, people are going to see that it's the 4th game. Not the first. You don't start the Lord Of The Rings series with The Return Of The King and then watch Fellow Ship Of The Ring first.

I guess if someone wanted to they can, but making a new character the main guy isn't gonna make it happen. Reusing the same people does not mean the same variation nor does it mean it gets boring. Nintendo has used their same namesake characters through out all their games and they continue to get newer fans. Link has been the main Hero for years now and Twilight Princess is one of the Wii's best game. So I don't really buy Kobayashi's BS and if he honestly believes that, then well he should step down from game designs and let someone else take his place.

It turns into a "Dried up prune" when nothing new or anything substantial is added to the newer series. IE DMC 4 add nothing new except the Devil Bringer and a stupid lovey dovey story line that would be expected in something like the CW's Gossip Girl. As far as bringing in new fans goes, I guess you can do that, but it's gonna be hard to do so because like I said, at your 4th game? You gotta do something really sick in order to do so.

As far as Nero is concerned, I wouldn't say no to more insight…as a supporting character. That's where he belongs after all.

Do you like trashing my opinions around, I can't be asked getting into a debate about what should happen, when not every series takes the same toll. I have my opinion, you have yours. Quit the charade of claiming mine wrong. End.

Who says I am trashing opinions. You stated yours and I stated mine. This isn't trashing an opinion. If I was trashing it, you would know that. I'm simply stating that Kobayashi's reason for "Getting new fans" is dumb is all. Yes not every series takes the same toll however MOST people start the series with the first game or first movie. That's the way I and a the people I talked to see it that way. It's not about trashing opinions and if I came across that way then that was not my intent. I like to go into detail with my posts is all.