quote Verjl

quote AlMoStLeGeNdArY

Good shit CM can you make one on how no to get shield grabbed and how to space properly?

i can help with this

start csticing ur arieals if u haven't, if u use the A button u lose that extra inch or two of spacing and poistioning

second, marth has hurtboxes... big ones, its possible to be shield grabbed from sheild breaker fsmash DB and fair even tho u clearly spaced somewhat, marth's hurtboxes is where ur getting shield grab AL, the run along probably half the lenth of each attack marth has, and if ur not csticing ir arieals the slight momentum makes that half lenght hurtbox at 3/4 lenths hurtbox for them to grab u.

in short u can't simply space with marth and be ok, u have to perfectly space or near perfectly space to be safe, slacking and not going for a tipper strike everytime u attack will make u that much less of a good marth player and ur more liable to be counter attacked with ease such as shield grabbing.

quote koreanstriker93

Didn't read it all but a good Marth can't beat a good MK, it's true. I've played Korn, Forte, etc. and nothing worked, it's impossible...that's why I dropped him.

If you main Marth, pick up a secondary or never win a tourney, lol.

quote koreanstriker93

the mk must have suck...you have to have 100% spacing skillz and still winning isn't guaranteed against good mks =/

stop being negative, saying its impossible for marth to win is like saying its impossible for fox to beat pika which the concept being the comparison fails

its not impossible, ur just not a good marth. a good marth=good meta

if u are truely a good marth u only have to worry abut the top ten meta knights, othrwise all other battles are clearly winnable

quote koreanstriker93

stop johning to beat my john, lolz...idc if mk doesnt make the game fun, you still have to play them in tourney, and marth wont beat him in tourneyy...

quote Power of Slash

It's winnable but it's still a limiting factor for Marth. Matchup ratios are just mumbo-jumbo crap, and most of the time MK's made out to be more of a problem simply because he's MK.

but I don't believe this is one of the matchups where that's the case. Yeah it really is Marth's worst matchup, imo nobody rapes Marth harder than MK unless I'm missing some apparent character that does .

It's pretty discouraging having the most popular and best character as your worst matchup, and when seeing he outdoes your character in every aspect(comparing Marth to MK) It gets people down D: , so it blows out of proportion.

While saying this I still don't think Good Marth = Good Meta, but what do I know about the matchup, I only play Marth as a backup.

Marth boards seem to be convinced that you won't beat MK unless you seriously outplay said MK. and they know what they're talking about moreso than I do, but I don't feel it's that. that. bad. It's still bad though.

quote AlMoStLeGeNdArY

Marth is emo.

quote koreanstriker93

I don't talk to anyone on Neo about matchups seriously...imo neo isn't serious enough of a site to discuss smash seriously, lolz. I would definitely drop Marth for that one matchup, at first I told myself it was ONE matchup but it was MK, the most played character probably in Smash, so that one matchup I face more then probably 2-5 other matchups, more if you count low tier because no one plays characters like bowser in tourney...I now play Snake is that matchup because it's even and I know it a little better...and Korn/Greg taught me Snake, lolz.