Well then you save yourself like 15% iirc... Falco can still Dthrow>Usmash usually.

But U-smash isn't as good of a killing move as d-air for Falco. So it might be better to just take the lasers. I'm no expert, though.

Doesn't Pika rape D3 as well?

Probably. One thing I noticed in particular when I played the match-up some time ago is that it's really difficult for D3 to do anything if Pikachu lands on the opposite side of his shield.

For the ROB vs D3 matchup there's a solution to camping his waddles.... Lazor goes through waddles, and you can just jump and use the top.
He doesn't need to kill until like 150% tbh, ROB should never be rushing a kill in the first place. ROB plays much more campy(didn't see that coming did you) and will bair out of grab range and try to poke his shield consistently.

ROB can also edgeguard D3 pretty well as long as he doesn't go to crazy and attempt a dair.

Inorite

Sheik IS too high

Sheik is 24 places to low.

Sheik is fine where it is.

So who teh hell is the ICs worst matchup if MK is said to be even?

Probably still MK, but what about ROB or Diddy?

Oh ya, Wario and Snake. >.>

They have a bunch of even match-ups and counters across the board, even among characters that aren't tourney viable.

I was looking around AiB and I think they had Link as 70-30 Link's advantage or something. It sounds pretty crazy but I guess he does have the tools he needs if he decides to just run around and throw stuff.

I'd imagine the worst matchup they would have is Snake, but I don't know much about the Ice Climbers.

quote Veggi

I was looking around AiB and I think they had Link as 70-30 Link's advantage or something. It sounds pretty crazy but I guess he does have the tools he needs if he decides to just run around and throw stuff.

I'd imagine the worst matchup they would have is Snake, but I don't know much about the Ice Climbers.

Yeah, Snake is like, 80-20, no shit.

70-30 Link? Sounds like madness.

He probably has a 60-40, seeing as Ftilt and even his jabs have good range. Plus they can't stop his projectiles really. Dunno if its even that good though.

quote WiseLugia

Sheik is fine where it is.

lol u

quote Cloud9157

70-30 Link? Sounds like madness.

He probably has a 60-40, seeing as Ftilt and even his jabs have good range. Plus they can't stop his projectiles really. Dunno if its even that good though.

Nana reacts a bit later so I'd imagine she'd be getting hit by a lot of stuff, lots of really strong stuff and stuff that knocks people on the ground.