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Final Blade Legendary Seeker total posts: 16814 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Nov 07, 09 at 7:42pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Ville_Valo Err, because with all the games they released on the PS2 they never made much effort to increase the realism. In fact, they introduced jetpacks and the ability for a ghetto hoodlum to fly a VTOL jet. What's more, they got rivals such as Driv3r and The Getaway that showed realism could be done on the PS2, but they still didn't bother. _{Er, that doesn't make it unrealistic. I'd argue in this case, they were more realistic. let's forget physics here, it's more than that which makes games realistic. Jet packs are real, a ghetto man could in fact get a jet pack by some means. You doing jobs to kill one person here, blow up a gas station there, you deliver coke here...etc are very realistic CAUSE IT HAPPENS irl. GTA4 is realistic in physics mostly, SA has ALOT of realistic shit as well. The difference comes down to: Do you enjoy the game? If you enjoy it, you don't really care if it's realistic or not. If chiro actually enjoyed GTA4 like me and Master...etc has, he wouldn't be saying how much he hated it. Same for igotfired. When you dislike a game, you'll find anything and everything about it to be bad and complain about it.} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33570 since: Mar 2002	Nov 07, 09 at 7:57pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	Not necessarily. Final Blade, you are forgetting that some people, myself included, dislike games BECAUSE of those qualities. We are not backwards justifying it. I other words, it is the REALISM that kills GTA IV for many of us, just as the realism enhances the GTA IV experience for others. Fact: I DO NOT like realism in games, especially sandbox games. That alone, killed GTA IV for me, not the other way around. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Final Blade Legendary Seeker total posts: 16814 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Nov 07, 09 at 9:51pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	_{So, you dislike games with jet packs, killing person here, delivering person there, selling coke over there and get money..etc? As I said, Physics isn't the only thing that makes a game realistic and based off your posts, that's primarily why you disliked GTA4 so much. But had you enjoyed GTA4 like me and master..etc I would bet money you'd overlooked all those things and continued playing it. Since you don't, it's primarily why you don't like it. The physics engine are the spark off a lighter for why you didn't like the game. Igotfired hated the game entirely, but you have stated good things about the game but stated the physics is of characters, and the cop radius are things you disliked immensely with GTA4.} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33570 since: Mar 2002	Nov 07, 09 at 10:00pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	No, and you know it. We are talking about realism in terms pf physics and "realistic limitations" upon the game whereby the gameplay is CRIMPED and clamped down upon for the sake of realism. Nobody here complaining about GTA IV's overly realistic approach is splitting hairs. We are talking about the limitations placed on a game because of realism. But you already know that and are making a rather absurd point. If you really want to be a hair-splitting moron, which I suspect may be the case, then you can say that those facets we love are also realistic, but since you already know what we are talking about and making ludicrous manipulations, you sound like an idiot. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Ville_Valo Welcome to the Blood Machine (moderator) General PSP total posts: 10837 since: Dec 2005	Nov 07, 09 at 11:17pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Motorway Maniac 2 Tell the boss you screwed up and then recieve a text to go back in time 3 Police keep coming for you when you should be able to hold them back by law by holding a hostage or wiring a bomb to a building etc 4 Always revived in a hospital... Hang on realism would mean dying eventually wouldn't it? 5 Can't proceed without certain characters... well in real life we do! Those things are due to the fact that it's a game. It's unplayable if you can't proceed the game after you've failed a mission or died. :\ Except for the hostage/bomb situation, that's probably a lack of features. You also can't beat someone to death with a broom, that doesn't make it unrealistic, it's just not in the game. quote Final Blade _{Er, that doesn't make it unrealistic. I'd argue in this case, they were more realistic.} More realistic? My god, you're just being contrary. Yes, because a ghetto dude could so badly just break into AREA 69, keeping in mind that it's based on what could be the most secure place in the world, and steal a jetpack. And fly a VTOL jet. Yes, the physics contribute a lot to GTA IV's realism, but to say San Andreas is more realistic is just stupidity, to be honest. ------------------- GTA IV \|\| PM \|\| General PSP \|\| GB \|\| Playstation 3
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Final Blade Legendary Seeker total posts: 16814 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Nov 08, 09 at 12:22am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	_{It's not stupid, I'm pretty sure me and Master have already pointed out how it's more realistic with game features than GTA4.} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33570 since: Mar 2002	Nov 08, 09 at 3:07am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	YOu may have tried to point it out, but it is no less Froot Loopy now than it was if and when you did. And for the record, that is NOT what Game Masta was saying, to my knowledge. He was making the point that while we say GTA IV is to realistic, that it really is NOT realistic and that no game is. He never said (to my knowledge at least) that games like San Andreas and SR2 are MORE realistic than GTA IV. That is just completely absurd. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Gamesta100 Resident Neo total posts: 2990 since: Dec 2006	Nov 08, 09 at 3:15am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Final Blade It's not stupid, I'm pretty sure me and Master have already pointed out how it's more realistic with game features than GTA4. If it's not stupid then I'm Godzilla and I made love to a human and made Reptilian babies. ------------------- You don't have to earn my respect.You begin with it and just have to keep it.
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Motorway Maniac I really look forward to the PS Wand! Seeketh Maximus total posts: 5123 since: Aug 2006	Nov 08, 09 at 10:41am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	End of the day I was merely pointing out that Too Realistic is only an opinion and not a fact. I mean I'd compare it to the first game of ping pong and say ping pong is even more realistic cos the game pretty much works like real life apart from the fact that the ball has no gravity just up down right and left. But thats one feature and frankly in its era it was never too realistic for peoples liking. In a sense real life like games of simulation was something that everyone wanted before they existed and such games like racing and flight simulator were the praised achievements. To walk, drive, and fly from first person view fascinated many gamers and then 3D and then open worlds. Now we like freedom, interaction and creativity but at the same time others criticise about realism. The Getaway is understandable but it still worked as a game and all this physics with GTA IV just don't sound important especially when loads of people are playing and not complaining. In a sense if graphics and physics were downgraded too close to looking like a PS2 GTA I would be one of many saying "You might of just ported a version for the PSP while you were at it!" The PS2 classics are there and will remain for the sake of those who love RETRO GTA as are the PS1 Titles. They want to try new things for the PS3 and 360 and those who haven't played PS2 GTA games will likely grow to love the PS3/360 ones. ------------------- ModNation Racers Be the Legend, Host the Legend and Share the Legend! Create, Play and Share Racing Circuits, Cars and Characters in this all new DIY Racing Game.
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33570 since: Mar 2002	Nov 08, 09 at 4:48pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Motorway Maniac End of the day I was merely pointing out that Too Realistic is only an opinion and not a fact. Which is why my argiument was not with you, because that is 100% true. quote Motorway Maniac In a sense real life like games of simulation was something that everyone wanted before they existed and such games like racing and flight simulator were the praised achievements. To walk, drive, and fly from first person view fascinated many gamers and then 3D and then open worlds. Now we like freedom, interaction and creativity but at the same time others criticise about realism. The realism that critics of GTA IV are referring to is the gameplay and physics elements that feel as if they are clamping down on the fun and restricting the gamer from doing what they want. Since GTA has always been about freedom, I believe that MANY GTA fans prefer the games to make that freedom count in every single way possible. GTA IV, in Rockstar's admitted quest to make the game "more realistic" (their words not mine!) took away a lot of the freedoms that many fans of the series had come to love. I don't need to spew out a list of all the things that have been added and taken away that (to people like myself) sucked all the fun out of the game and turned it from a "sandbox" into a more transparently linear game. quote Motorway Maniac The Getaway is understandable but it still worked as a game and all this physics with GTA IV just don't sound important especially when loads of people are playing and not complaining. And loads of others are complaining. So what's your point? quote Motorway Maniac In a sense if graphics and physics were downgraded too close to looking like a PS2 GTA I would be one of many saying "You might of just ported a version for the PSP while you were at it!" But why would that be a prerequisite to PS2-style GTA gameplay? Why can't Rockstar's crack team of developers, on these powerful new consoles, give us both graphics and gameplay? You make it sound like the only way to give us San Andreas type gampley is to make the game look "too much like a PS2 game" and I disagree. These consoles are way more powerful than the PS2. Could GTA IV look EXACTLY like it does now and still play like SR2 or San Andreas if it were on the PS2? Of course not. That would be absurd. The PS2 cannot even generate these kinds of graphics to begin with. But on the PS3 and 360? Absolutely! Making the game LOOK more realistic does NOT mean that the game has to PLAY more realistic. Rockstar was not bound and gagged to make the game play more realistic. Thy made a CHOICE that they wanted the gameplay to sort of follow the graphics. quote Motorway Maniac The PS2 classics are there and will remain for the sake of those who love RETRO GTA as are the PS1 Titles. They want to try new things for the PS3 and 360 and those who haven't played PS2 GTA games will likely grow to love the PS3/360 ones. that could very well be true. Perhaps the millions of fans Rockstar lost with GTA IV will be replaced by new fans of this gen of consoles who have never played GTA before IV, so this is their first experience with the series. The only way to know for sure whether this is true or not is to see how well GTA: Next does in comparison to GTA IV. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Jake Rockwell *I'll knock your bleepin dick in the dirt©* Still Seekin' since: May 2004	Nov 08, 09 at 5:11pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Final Blade Er, that doesn't make it unrealistic. I'd argue in this case, they were more realistic. let's forget physics here, it's more than that which makes games realistic. Jet packs are real, a ghetto man could in fact get a jet pack by some means. Yeah, it would have been even more realistic if CJ had been able to collect a hoverboard during the game. Seriously, what world are you living in? ------------------- Don't try that shit at home #26: *RESIDENT EVIL 5*
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Final Blade Legendary Seeker total posts: 16814 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Nov 08, 09 at 6:52pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote ChiroVette YOu may have tried to point it out, but it is no less Froot Loopy now than it was if and when you did. And for the record, that is NOT what Game Masta was saying, to my knowledge. He was making the point that while we say GTA IV is to realistic, that it really is NOT realistic and that no game is. He never said (to my knowledge at least) that games like San Andreas and SR2 are MORE realistic than GTA IV. That is just completely absurd. _{Wait, so let me get this straight: Working out to get muscles and endurance/stamina, learning new fighting techniques, eating food to increase health and stay alive, getting haircuts and tattoos to pimp out your character, buy hordes of clothes, bling, sunglasses to further pimp him out, buying all sorts of weapons, buying hydrolics and new car stuff to pimp your ride, buying houses and putting cars and motorbikes in garages to increase how much property you own isn't at all more realistic in features? How this is all froot loopy when making a point, which I know damn well both me and Master said this to people like igotfired and that other troll november 2008(forgot his name) to show how unrealistic GTA4 compared to SA in features(which shows SA being more realistic)?} quote Jake Rockwell quote Final Blade Er, that doesn't make it unrealistic. I'd argue in this case, they were more realistic. let's forget physics here, it's more than that which makes games realistic. Jet packs are real, a ghetto man could in fact get a jet pack by some means. Yeah, it would have been even more realistic if CJ had been able to collect a hoverboard during the game. Seriously, what world are you living in? _{You obviously missed my point like most.} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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The Haz I krv svoju za Bosnu moju Hooked on Neo since: Dec 2008	Nov 08, 09 at 7:28pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Final Blade You obviously missed my point like most Can you clarify that point now please ? I'm genuinely intrigued ------------------- He pauses shaving and he tells himself that he is the bomb
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Jake Rockwell *I'll knock your bleepin dick in the dirt©* Still Seekin' since: May 2004	Nov 08, 09 at 7:45pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Final Blade quote Jake Rockwell quote Final Blade Er, that doesn't make it unrealistic. I'd argue in this case, they were more realistic. let's forget physics here, it's more than that which makes games realistic. Jet packs are real, a ghetto man could in fact get a jet pack by some means. Yeah, it would have been even more realistic if CJ had been able to collect a hoverboard during the game. Seriously, what world are you living in? _{You obviously missed my point like most.} Yeah, you're right, Jetpacks are real. They're not just some wishlist technology that even NASA and the American airforce have given up on ever realising in a practical sense because the human body is unsuited to that sort of flight, and because flights under minimum parachuting height are unspeakably dangerous. And yeah, it's much more realistic that some random guy from the wrong side of the tracks could concievably pilot a military jet that takes recruits months or even years to be cleared on. Unlike some guy who took part in a war in Europe, and might possibly have been trained to pilot helicopters and the like during his time in the army. And yeah, it's realistic that some guy could put on 30-50 pounds of solid muscle, train himself to run in a triatholon, and master several martial arts after only four or five days working out in the gym. Yeah, you're right, I must have missed your point. It's not like your argument is completely irrelevant and stupid which is why everyone is disagreeing with you or anything. ------------------- Don't try that shit at home #26: *RESIDENT EVIL 5*
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33570 since: Mar 2002	Nov 08, 09 at 11:36pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	Final Blade you are confusing REALISM with RPG elements. Working out, eating, and all those other features are NOT realism, they are level-ups which are RPG motifs. Realism is when the physics and graphics of the game converge to make the game more movie and photo-realistic. quote Jake Rockwell Yeah, you're right, I must have missed your point. It's not like your argument is completely irrelevant and stupid which is why everyone is disagreeing with you or anything. ROFLMMFAO!!!!! ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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