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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33573 since: Mar 2002	Oct 24, 09 at 1:32am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Master these episodes look BORING and are childs-play next to VC/SA. Well I would actually say the same thing about GTA IV in genital, but that's not my point. Come on, though, Game Masta! One hardcore, old-school GTA fan to another. Are you going to honestly sit there and tell me that had some DLC pack with the same city and nothing but more missions and vehicles come out for, let's say GTA III last gen when you and I were taking turns moderating GTA forums, that you would not have been one of the first people on line with me to snatch up your copy? Really? I will believe you if you say that you wouldn't have, but I remember those old GTA III days and how they melded into VC and into San Andreas. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Master of Chaos. Neo: Essential since: Nov 2001	Oct 24, 09 at 1:35am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Master Yeah... last gen. ------------------- Forever the King of Pop.
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Final Blade Legendary Seeker total posts: 16843 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Oct 24, 09 at 1:43am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	_{Just to point to out: PS2 online service was shitty as hell and the Harddrives was expensive. Even if there was a DLC for VC and SA, you'd be spending much more money trying to get any DLC for those games unlike nowadays where the price of HDD's are cheap, affordable, and comes standard(mostly) in 360 and PS3; Which the online service of both systems are insanely better. I still believe my post about how the content being limited to those on 360 console and the million of users who like downloading the content is primarily the reason why it didn't sell great. Has nothing to do with the poor reception of GTA4. If it came out on both consoles(and starting first with TLaD then BoGT) I can guarantee the sales will match that of SR2 combined(by downloading, will be even more if it was in disc format).} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33573 since: Mar 2002	Oct 24, 09 at 2:04am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	That's a good point that it was 360 exclusive, but again, that only makes up part of the reason. Honestly? Most fans of GTA IV have absolutely no interest in the DLC's for it so far, and I honestly believe that this is very revealing, particularly since I see TLAD as a high quality, highly acclaimed game. By the way, my hypothetical "if there was DLC last gen" argument was meant to mean that it was as cost effective as it is this generation as well. That was the reason I stated it as I did. quote Master quote Master Yeah... last gen. I got that point, but that is sort of mine too. Last Gen you cared more about GTA than you do now. Why? I can tell you my reasons, but obviously I don't have to. Seems to me that if this generation's GTA game was the fantasmagorical reboot of the series that GTA IV fans are arguing it was (changing all that we had previously come to believe GTA was supposed to be in favor of this wild ride into wonderful realism) that this should have regenerated fan enthusiasm for the series to what it was last gen. Yet, surprisingly, I see no evidence of that so far. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Motorway Maniac I really look forward to the PS Wand! Seeketh Maximus total posts: 5123 since: Aug 2006	Oct 24, 09 at 11:45am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	Is it the interest or is it access online and confidence in paying online? I see more issues with any DLC not just GTA. Some people don't like the corruption and data loss they could get when their console faults therefore having to reformat it before repairing it. So I think there is an issue with DLC not being available to the PS3 and PC. But hey! Maybe Rockstar would of put a bit more into it if they hadn't had the $50 Million safety net from Microsoft. The one thing they have tested is if DLC was worth it. Next up Vice City? ------------------- ModNation Racers Be the Legend, Host the Legend and Share the Legend! Create, Play and Share Racing Circuits, Cars and Characters in this all new DIY Racing Game.
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trendyskaman Good grief. Neo: Essential since: Aug 2002	Oct 24, 09 at 3:13pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	That's precisely my point. GTA is a series that attracts casual video game fans (as Chiro stated, many people bought a console last generation simply for the GTA games), now you're having them pay for something that isn't tangible that they may not trust? Sure, people who frequent these boards and have a passion for gaming understand that it's no different, but the casual fans are going to be less receptive to technology that they may not be comfortable with. This apprehension will go away as time passes, to be sure, but it won't completely dissipate in this generation, I assure you. Assuming Microsoft's figures are correct, 70% of 360 users download some content off of Xbox Live. That probably includes people who download free gamer pics and things of that nature, so let's cautiously put the estimate of users who actually purchase content at 60%. How many total users are there of Xbox Live, and how many of them at one point owned GTAIV and were capable of downloading the content? These are questions you have to answer before drawing conclusions about why TLAD "only" sold a million copies. If we had the answers to these questions, the sales figures might actually be more impressive. ------------------- quote Overheard in Loungin' The reason it's controversial is because the nation was founded based on Christianity. Just sayin' Deists: Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams...the bad history bug strikes again!
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33573 since: Mar 2002	Oct 24, 09 at 3:33pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	True. This is why I said it is all interpretational. Obviously, you guys believe that TLAD didn't sell huge amounts because of logistical issues with LIVE, credit cards, gamer cards, downloading perceptions, and whatnot, and others like me believe it was because IV just is not inspiring a GTA-like feverish interest. That's part of the reason I posed the question in the title of this thread, to spark this type of a lively debate. Whether there is any real interest in GTA IV DLC or not is (at least in my mind) a meaningful question for GTA fans, because it could be an indication of how successful GTA IV really was. The other obvious question we have been dancing around in this thread (and debating) is whether GTA IV sold so well on its own merits or on the strength of pre-order and name recognition because the previous GTA games were all so highly acclaimed. I think the reason we are debating this, for the most part, is that there are fans like you guys who want GTA to stay more "realistic" because you feel the craziness of San Andreas is passe or "last gen," while peeople like us are hoping that GTA IV is not doing so well so perhaps Rockstar would reconsider going back to an old school feel in the new gen of gaming console and graphics. In other words, to put all our cards on the table, both sides of this argument have an agenda. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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trendyskaman Good grief. Neo: Essential since: Aug 2002	Oct 24, 09 at 8:08pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	I don't know. I certainly appreciated the direction Rockstar went with GTAIV, but I'm a huge fan of Saint's Row as well. I just don't like getting into these "which is better" arguments that try to draw comparisons between sales Saint's Row 2, GTAIV DLC, and earlier iterations of Grand Theft Auto in order to make the point about which game is better or appealed to a larger audience base. There's too many variables there to make comparison meaningful, I haven't even addressed the problem of install base of the newer generation of consoles (a lot of people still have their PS2s and simply haven't decided to upgrade yet because of prohibitive price or personal preferences). I think, if you want to make your comparisons to draw conclusions about the GTA fan base, broad speculation about the "attitude" of neoseeker posters in 2002 and 2009 isn't the way to do it most accurately. ------------------- quote Overheard in Loungin' The reason it's controversial is because the nation was founded based on Christianity. Just sayin' Deists: Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams...the bad history bug strikes again!
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33573 since: Mar 2002	Oct 24, 09 at 9:48pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote trendyskaman I don't know. I certainly appreciated the direction Rockstar went with GTAIV, but I'm a huge fan of Saint's Row as well. I just don't like getting into these "which is better" arguments that try to draw comparisons between sales Saint's Row 2, GTAIV DLC, and earlier iterations of Grand Theft Auto in order to make the point about which game is better or appealed to a larger audience base. I agree, because as I think we have all elucidated ad nasusam in this thread, the sales numbers just give no truly accurate, unimpeachable way to answer these questions as there are too many variables. Also, forget better and worse because for games, in all the ways that matter, it is subjective. With all its flaws, I think that SR2 blew the doors off of GTA IV, but that is a purely subjective opinion, backed up by nothing but said opinion. I am sure that Game Masta would say the extreme opposite, and everything I loved about SR2 he probably didn't like, and everything I hated about IV, he probably loved. quote trendyskaman There's too many variables there to make comparison meaningful, I haven't even addressed the problem of install base of the newer generation of consoles (a lot of people still have their PS2s and simply haven't decided to upgrade yet because of prohibitive price or personal preferences). I think, if you want to make your comparisons to draw conclusions about the GTA fan base, broad speculation about the "attitude" of neoseeker posters in 2002 and 2009 isn't the way to do it most accurately. Most accurately, no. But then we are not actuarial engineers not statisticians. We are gamers and trying to make heads or tails of whether or not the direction of a particular series is going to be what we want it to be is just discussion and pontification. I could not tell you with any degree of certainty that Rockstar's journey into realism cost them far ore fans than it gained them, and may have hurt the series for future installments. That is simply what believe based on the available data. Put a gun to my head and Iam the first person to tell you that his is purely subjective on our part. Just as those who believe that there are only a few disappointed and disgruntled GTA fans are giving their subjective interpretation of the facts. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Final Blade Legendary Seeker total posts: 16843 GameGrep pts: 13817 since: Nov 2006	Oct 24, 09 at 11:10pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	_{Well I like the direction because now we have two very good Sandbox Crime games instead of Rockstar owning everyone, being the top dog and everything else being compared or claimed to be a GTA clone. You dislike games like the Driver Series yet I find them to be really good. Driv3r was one of the best games I played before I got San Andreas. Sure SA had ALOT of content but I still loved Driv3r. Now with GTA4 going in a new direction keeping some old fans and building anew with fans, you have volitions who has been pretty much new, hasn't had big reknown games in the console realm come out and make a terrific(albeit seems like a GTA clone) game with Saints Row(even though I didn't like the graphics much). Then you have Saints Row 2 that has incredible amount of insanity to fill the missing void, as you say, of wacky, unrealistic gameplay. Rockstar going back to that style will undoubtedly kill Saints Row cause R* did a incredible job of making those types of games due to being limited with PS2 hardware. R* is the king with that GTA. Now that GTA is trying to be fresh into a new Generation of consoles, they know they'll be bumps in the road, but they need to stay the course. I want more than one crime story game that is actually GREAT. not 1 and some immediate clones everyone else hates. This won't expand the genre at all. This is why I'm actually excited to see Square-Enix have a true competitor in the RPG realm with Level 5. It'll force both of them to step up their games and copy some things one did good. MORE COMPETITION THAT = TERRIFIC GAMES.} ------------------- _{Welcome to Crisis Core forum} _{Welcome to Bad Company 2} _{God of War 3 official forum community}
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33573 since: Mar 2002	Oct 24, 09 at 11:26pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	I had a sort of parody in my signature when GTA IV came out, something to the effect of "We were expecting GTA IV, but instead we got GTA: Parallel Lines!" It was partly in jest, but I was also semi-serious. Honestly? If you love games like The Getaway and Driver games, then GTA IV is like the Big Daddy of that style. Because GTA IV did the "realism" thing that Team SOHO and Reflections (not to mention MANY OTHERS) did, but Rockstar did it ten times better than all of them! That is one of GTA IV's incredible strengths is that it took the idea that the "clones" all tried, that being realism, and trumped them all with their own cards! Now obviously this was very bad news for fans like me, but it does not diminish the incredible game that GTA IV is and the scope of what it accomplished within that niche. For the record, I agree with you also that if Rockstar ever took GTA (with this gen graphics and FMV/Cinematics) back to the wild, insane, crazy, over-the-top physics and graphics, that it would destroy Saint's Row. The bottom line is that Saint's Row is succeeding on where the fans like me believed Rockstar failed. Not that Rockstar actually failed, obviously, only that the direction they went was not to our liking. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Destroyer no-stoppin-me-now total posts: 218 since: Mar 2008	Oct 25, 09 at 12:29am re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	quote Motorway Maniac First of you 360 owners are f**** LUCKY! All the content we wanted and it appears in this exclusive episode. We on the PS3 meanwhile stand in the que for the NightClub waiting to see if the that Bouncer called Rockstar is going to let us in! Crazy! Despite what I think about the 360 you guys are getting a f**** awesome episode to download! Secondly I wouldn't say they are going backwards, I think this was partly planned. Try another GTA III and give us the new content through DLC so that we can use it on the same game in the same city! So no I don't think they are going back. I think DLC is proving to work in their favour. I know how you feel. As a PS3 owner, I'm quite disappointed that I will not be able to play BoGT.
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Igotfired neologist total posts: 411 since: Nov 2004	Oct 27, 09 at 9:39pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	The GTA franchise has transformed into an over produced and over hyped cash machine. Rockstar put more time and effort into advertising and hyping than it did into actually making a fun game. The franchise now feels like Applebee's, Walmart, CBC, and every other corporation that pushes crap products upon the American public. Less marketing, more substance please! SR 2 still has that imperfect boutique gaming feel that I love. I love how the game doesn't look PERFECT, but is incredibly fun to play. I love the cheesy dialogue, the ridiculous mission concepts and innovative game play. SR 2 still feels like it was created by five guys in a room with a case of beer and bong. GTA IV feels like it was made by 200 corporate employees who could never agree on anything original so instead pushed out a safe, sterile video game that has zero wow factor. It was almost as if Microsoft bought Rockstar and created it's version of GTA. Speaking of Microsoft, anyone see those new "microsoft stores"? IS there anything more pathetic than that?
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Ville_Valo Welcome to the Blood Machine (moderator) General PSP total posts: 10849 since: Dec 2005	Oct 27, 09 at 9:52pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	I'd say R* spent their time and money on creating an amazing engine and working on detail, physics, graphics, etc. To say they spent it all on advertising is unfair, did it even have more advertising than the other games? ------------------- GTA IV \|\| PM \|\| General PSP \|\| GB \|\| Playstation 3
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33573 since: Mar 2002	Oct 27, 09 at 9:52pm re: You think Rockstar may be going back to the original GTA style with GTA V?
	Wow, Igotfired, this may be the most profound post expressing the opinions of GTA fans like us I have ever read. There really does feel like there is "something too safe" about GTA IV, like Rockstar may have been afraid to give the gamer too much freedom, money, power, and wild gameplay because the Jack Thompsons have FINALLY WON! Thompson doesn't like cop killing rampages, so what happens? We get an overwhelmingly powerful law enforcement to stop us before a good long rampage is even underway. Rockstar has inexplicably decided that "Crime doesn't pay" should now be the GTA underlying theme. You may be right, too, because "realism" is a lot "safer" than the insanity of over the top wildness. Funny what you said about MS, because I remember when EA was making a bid to buy Take2 and GTA fans were terrified that if EA became Rockstar's publisher that it would ruin the series. The truth is that, now that I think about it, GTA IV does have that stellar-graphics, whitewashed, watered-down feel of a great many EA games. Makes me think... ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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