boys, so quaint, so nieve,

quote rbmoney

If you want a woman, you have to take her. She will never get with a guy who is her "friend"

some women like a swift relationship, but most don't,
most want to be able to build a foundation of trust and to where she can feel at ease with you.
also (no offence) there is nothing wrong,
with being her friend first,and quote on quote"She will never get with a guy who is her "friend" is a ten ton load of horse shit.


get to know her before you do any thing drastic, because its during that time that you will discover, just how much ya'll can build a strong relationship on.


p.s. and always keep in mind that a girl almost never knows just what she really wants, what she really want in a man is usualy what she least expects.

Thank you for that. Some guys just don't understand.

quote davedemon

Some guys just don't understand.

yeah, i've noticed, though i must admit its kind of fun bursting a guys bubble, when he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about!

quote davedemon

quote Caius Cosades

Mine is so much more complex. Not trying to make yours sound uninteresting, but I have a whole lot of **** going down at the moment.

I'm glad I don't have any problems like that, I'd rather have mine uninteresting then screwed up or complex.

Yeah, it ain't pleasant.

quote davedemon

I forgot to mention that, she's like perfect, never ever gotten in trouble and always obeying the teacher. It's scary. Me, on the other hand, is the kid who always disagrees with the teacher, and argues with them. No one would ever imagine me and her together. I wouldn't want to ruin her reputation like that.

I know EXACTLY what you mean. There is the risk of ruining HER reputation, but if anything ever could occur between you, who ever said everyone has to find out? Sometimes that makes a relationship even more exciting
As for her being way out of your league (or at least, that's what I inferred), you would be surprised at what you could accomplish. Last year I asked out a girl who was way out of my league, and she said yes. Though, for the record, it didn't really work out...
My next piece of advice is just to get to know her, see if you do have any chance with her.

Well, my locker is next to hers. We like to talk a lot. So apparently she's an angel at school, at home though she's more of a trouble maker. So I'm making some progress. People don't really seem to care if I like her. She's nice, when I talk to her I just sit and listen. She's listens to me. So far no screw ups. Though she wasn't happy when I said she should put some shampoo in her horses hair. But that's not the point.

quote Caius Cosades

As for her being way out of your league (or at least, that's what I inferred), you would be surprised at what you could accomplish.

That's what I'm starting to think. I actually have a shot at getting a girl! Well, not that I couldn't get one before . But the thing I like a lot about her is that she's naturally pretty, no makeup, lip gloss, lip stick, special hair dew. Which is definitely an A+ on my chart. Someone who's beautiful but not vane. Some times I look at her and she looks at me (I think, never be to fast to make assumptions), or maybe she's just looking out the window . The real test will be the Prom. If I can get her before Ben does, then after the prom go out to the lake, she's all mine. She also shares my same world views which is also very good. Same religion and political views, which is also very good because that can prevent many arguments.

Sounds like you've actually got a chance.
One thing you need to remember over everything is that you NEVER say they should do something with their looks. No matter what, you have to pretend that they look brilliant.
You want to compliment her. Not so much that you seem like a weirdo, but enough to keep her wondering.
What you said about the lake... is it HER that you like, or the prospect of...getting to third base?
And when it comes to having the same views on things, yes that can make things easier in the beginning, but if you both think the exact same thing it gets boring. Don't think of them as arguments, think of them as debates. Or discussions. And don't get too into it, stay calm and relaxed through them. She's not going to want to be with or stay with you if you always try to win them. You can always disagree.
Even if you disagree on things, you can still make it work. I had a relatively successful relationship with an avid Christian girl, and I'm Wiccan (don't know what you've heard about it, but often people think it is Satanism, or related to Satanism. It isn't. I don't worship any devil. Not trying to sound prejudiced, but Wiccans are mainly discriminated against by Christians. Seriously, I'm not Satanic)
Is it mainly you who likes her, or do heaps of the guys like her?

No, not that many guys are into her. Most of the other guys have sexy blond girl friends, but I'm going for a quality girl. I'm the only boy who likes to talk to her. I mean, she doesn't really pay too much attention to people out side her class and there are only 3 boys in our class. The reason I think having the same views is important, is because how you view things affects your choices on many matters. I suppose that saying her horse need shampoo was rather blunt, but I don't need to say anything negative about her body, because it looks perfect. No, I don't know what Wiccans are. Never heard of them. For now I can't, and won't assume she is really into me, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and hope it works.

good for you dave, girls love a good listener, it helps to build trust, and makes them feel interesting,
if you have a nice thing to say about her, tell her, but if your thinking of making up a lie to tell her don't, no matter how good you think it is, and even if she would like it, girls hate being lied to more than anything,(well almost).


and keep in mind, o.k. not all girls are into having sex after prom, and if she says no, don't take that, for she doen't like you and don't pressure her, shes just not ready, if she likes you she will tell you.

I only have sex after I'm married, that's what my parents taught me and that's what I believe is right. But I'm all for making out anytime .

quote davedemon

For now I can't, and won't assume she is really into me,

That's a good idea. Never assume. If you do, you begin to get arrogant, and **** things over royally.

quote Caius Cosades

arrogant, and **** things

I never imagined those 2 things could've gone together.

Trust me. It's happened many a time.

What if we leave out arrogance and just:

quote Caius Cosades

**** things

What?

You don't get it?