quote Caius Cosades

What?

think about it, he took off,your

quote Caius Cosades

over royally.

and just left the "f*ck things"

Where's Tel Fyr?

Tel Fyr is... *looks it up*
Directly south of Tel Aruhn, and Southwest of Sadrith Mora.

Talking about relationships is starting to get boring. Let's debate on evolution. Remember this is debating not arguing. Okay, here's why evolution couldn't have happened. Most evolutionists are stubborn as to how complex a cell is. Okay,, what's a cell made of. Protein's. There are about 40 protein's in a cell. Now, I must first tell you that 10^50 is a statistical imposibality. 10^50 power is 1 with 50 zeros behind it. Now, the chance of a protein randomly forming is 10^250, or 1, with 250 zero's behind it. Okay. So try doing that 40 times in a row. In a specific order. Okay, so let's anylize the number

(10^250)x40

Oh wait, but now let's look at how many cells you have. There are approximately anywhere 10-100 trillion cells. Okay so let's say there are about 50 trillion cells.

(10^250) x 40 x 50,000,000,000,000

You can't honestly say that Evolution is possible, because statistically it's off the charts.

Randomly forming? Give an infinite amount of monkeys an infinite amount of typewriters, and they'll produce Shakespeare. Just because it isn't likely, doesn't mean it's impossible. It is possible, and it has happened. Earth has been around for three billion years. That isn't an infinite amount of time, but it is one heck of a long time. If one in every <insert your massive number here> occurs, it still would have happened plenty. Remember, evolution really is based on chance. One member of a species is born with a mutation, and that mutation makes it better then the others, so it survives better and produces more like it, as the inferior ones die out because they cannot compete.
Although unlikely, evolution can occur, and it has occurred.

PS, I don't think you came up with those numbers

quote davedemon

Talking about relationships is starting to get boring. Let's debate on evolution. Remember this is debating not arguing. Okay, here's why evolution couldn't have happened. Most evolutionists are stubborn as to how complex a cell is. Okay,, what's a cell made of. Protein's. There are about 40 protein's in a cell. Now, I must first tell you that 10^50 is a statistical imposibality. 10^50 power is 1 with 50 zeros behind it. Now, the chance of a protein randomly forming is 10^250, or 1, with 250 zero's behind it. Okay. So try doing that 40 times in a row. In a specific order. Okay, so let's anylize the number

(10^250)x40

Oh wait, but now let's look at how many cells you have. There are approximately anywhere 10-100 trillion cells. Okay so let's say there are about 50 trillion cells.

(10^250) x 40 x 50,000,000,000,000

You can't honestly say that Evolution is possible, because statistically it's off the charts.

sorry dave but,


i know thats science, but you sound like my old history teacher.

That was my first reaction, too. But I can never back down from a scientific debate (NEEEERD!!!)

hey!!!!!, i'm a bit of a computer nerd!

Okay, so the final answer would be 10^29345, which is 1 with 29,345 zeros behind it. i.e. It would take googols(1 with 100 zeros behind it) of years for life to even have a, still statistically impossible chance of forming. Mutations create bad genes, as a result, it downgrades the subject. Infinite Monkies won't write shake spear. Because nothing in this world is infinite, therefore you can not use infinite as a valid arguing point for anything because infinite is impossible. With God as the exception. Monkies won't write shakespear, because most of them will have probably broken the tipewriter before they even realize what it's used for.

No, mutations don't necessarily create bad genes. Look at Spiderman. Completely unlikely, but mutations don't necessarily mean bad, they just mean different. To say nothing is infinite rules out the possibility of god, as if he/she/it IS infinite, it is possible. Infinity is hard to comprehend, but if you do something enough times that has the chance of something different happening, what you're looking for will eventually happen. It has to, as it will be constantly happening. The yeti in Plants Vs Zombies made me think about that: it has a slim chance of appearing in survival endless, but since it's endless, if you keep playing it will eventually happen, because there is a chance of it. For example, if the odds were 100:1, it's statistically guaranteed to happen once every hundred tries. It may not happen on the hundredth try, but it will happen. As for the monkey example, firstly it isn't mine, secondly, normally I would say you're right and that I was using it as an example, but you're wrong.

quote davedemon

most of them

If one monkey hits the Q key lots on his until it breaks, and another hits the W key on his typewriter until it breaks, and another hits the keys E, R, T and Y. An infinite number means that an infinite number of monkeys will be hitting every single combination of keys (which is probably 33 to the thirty-second power, I don't know my math that well) in an infinite number of combination's, so thus to type the phrase "this too shall pass", the odds of it doing that randomly would be...um...I don't know the number. The point is, that there are so many that there is going to be one that hits that key sequence, because with infinity there HAS to be one that hits that key sequence. It's the same with evolution, given enough time, one amoeba HAS to mutate with another amoeba. Or something.

EDIT: I win.

Huh. I'm not arguing with you. Infinite amount of monkies could rewrite the constitution. But were not talking about some that is infinite . Matter is not infinite. You are still oblivious to that number in front of you. You just don't see how big that number is. Okay, let's say you pick a random number every second. If that number is the number in the combination, you just made a.... a.... a cell! Okay, well, if you took a random number every second, it would still take you 10^4890(again, 1 with 4,980 zeros behind it) years. Oh, now don't make me multiply that by 50 trillion. You see, when you do the math. You see that it takes more then a few billion years. There's not even a word for that number. You just got owned.
Also, mutations actually decrease as you get more good genes. Another thing, if a mutation happens to be good, it most of the time, makes cells after it's own kind i.e. you get no progress . Also, mutations only change existing traits, again i.e. you get no progress. Why don't I just show you this website.
http://www.rae.org/revev6.html

quote davedemon

Matter is not infinite.

I never said matter was infinite, I said time was infinite. If you leave the universe for long enough, you are statistically bound to get a decent evolution, time and time again, creating us. It just happened to happen in about 2 billion years (although evidence now states that it occurred before that).
With the random number, you don't make sense. If you were constantly picking numbers, you would never reach the end as numbers are infinite too.
If say we were picking numbers randomly between 1 and 1 million, just because 1 million is the number we want (let's say), that doesn't mean it will be the LAST one that we pick. It could be the first.

No no no, this is fun debating.

quote Caius Cosades

No no no, this is fun debating.

no,no,no!!!!!

new topic, new topic!!!!!