I loved FF8's storyline because of the focus on Squall and Rinoa's relationship, but FFX's story.... not so much.

As far as the thread topic goes... they just need to do a good job on FFXIII and release it already.

I thought FFX's storyline was decent enough, but I felt it was rather "paint by numbers" at the start. It only got really unique when we found out Yuna was going to die, Yevon was a baddie, and Tidus was a dream.

I did like Seymour as a villain though. Too bad he didn't play a bigger role in the grand scheme of things. It would have been insane if Seymour did become the next Sin, though I suppose that would have screwed up the whole Todus/Jecht plot (which I had little-to-no interst in).

quote ShadowGuard

FFX has always been put on par with FFVII. The story was epic. Sakaguchi didnt do that one did he.

Yeah, FFX was his last FF game.

quote ShadowGuard

But overall, the West (the leading consumer of the 360) loathed or some reason didnt buy these jRPG.

The West doesn't buy many JRPGs anyway though. Unless they're a well-known established series like Final Fantasy, then they have a very small chance of making it big over here, especially if they're a brand new game from a brand new series.
Most JRPGs seem to be aimed at the Japanese audience anyway. If they do well in the West, that's just an added bonus.

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Yeah, FFX was his last FF game.

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Producer Yoshinori Kitase
Sound Producer Nobuo Uematsu

Character Designer Tetsuya Nomura
Program Supervisor Ken Narita

Scenario Kuzushige Nojima
Executive Producer Hironobu Sakaguchi
General Producer Tomoyuki Takechi

and this Sakaguchi or anyone being the man behind FF or any modern game is ludicrous.. in example Kurt Cobain was the sole reason why Nirvana was what it was , but talking about modern games that way is funny.. you have to have no idea how much time and everything is needed to make a game like FF today. it can be true that Sakaguchi was the reason FF1 was the way it was , but even FF7 would be almost the same without him. and anyway, the turn-based battle system , which is enjoyed by so many, has nothing to do with Sakaguchi

Lulwut indeed. I don't mean to offend but ... but that's a downright silly thing to say pyramidreaper. Sakaguchi was the main director of FFVII. He was also the guy who came up with the plot.
To say the game would be the same without him is like saying MGS would be the same without Kojima. Kojima may not have come up with MGS's gameplay, but it would have been a COMPLETELY different game without him. (mind you, Squeenix don't just let the battle-system creators run amok. Tsuchida wanted to make FFX more actiony and was IMMEDIATELY turned down)

quote pyramidreaper

Executive Producer Hironobu Sakaguchi

That pretty much proved what I was saying.
I never meant that Sakaguchi was in charge of FFX, I merely said it was his last FF game. He was already in the process of quitting Squeenix and forming Mistwalker during the making of FFX so of course he wasn't the main man behind it.

quote Cruxis Mana

There also seems to have been a fair few announcements this last week of 360 RPGs coming to the PS3, namely the ones on the GG's list.

Well that put a spanner in my works. XP
Can't say I'm too happy with the amount of games that seem to be going multiplat this gen. not saying I have anything against certain consoles, but with the amount of multiplat games there seems to be so few reasons to get one console over another.

quote Krunal

And Roz about the remark on FFXII, as I have said many times, there are people that really do like that form of battle, myself included.

I never said anything about my opinion of the FFXII battle system. I was merely saying that it's hypocritical that other JRPGs get average review scores for being outdated, while FFXII (a game with an equally outdated battle system) was praised for being so "innovative" and "unique" with it's gameplay.

quote Krunal

Blue Dragon and a good review? Are you kidding me? It did incredibly poorly, hell it didn't even move much in Japan. People hated it over there,

That's funny for two reasons:
1. It's average Metacritic score is 79%. It's average Gamerankings score is 77%. (the main complaint from reviewers was that it was "too traditional" and not "daring" enough).

2. As for not moving much in Japan, I'll reiterate: It's the highest selling 360 game in Japan. That's nothing to scoff at - Regardless of whatever Japanese people said it was a failure, it still sold well and it still got good reviews.
It may not have moved many consoles, but then again, few single titles do. Heck, MGS4 was meant to be the PS3's "saviour" and boost it's sales...but it didn't.

I know we've had this discussion before, but I really can't see how you keep saying Blue Dragon was such a failure when it recieved mostly above-average reviews and is the highest selling 360 game in Japan. Call me crazy, but I'd say that was a success in every sense of the word. If Mistwalker wanted better than that, they would have released Blue Dragon on the two other better-selling consoles.

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Lulwut indeed. I don't mean to offend but ... but that's a downright silly thing to say pyramidreaper. Sakaguchi was the main director of FFVII. He was also the guy who came up with the plot.
To say the game would be the same without him is like saying MGS would be the same without Kojima. Kojima may not have come up with MGS's gameplay, but it would have been a COMPLETELY different game without him. (mind you, Squeenix don't just let the battle-system creators run amok.

no.. I'm not sure you understand what I mean.. Sakaguchi, Kitase, Nomura, Nojima, etc.. all of them were working on the FF7 project at that time (btw all of them worked on scenario for FF7). my point is - a company needs guys like, in example, Sakaguchi, but one person alone doesn't matter that much. I mean, you can't compare these games to bands or something like that.. it's not that simple.
and I'm almost sure FF7 would be the same success.. at that time Square had a working battle system already, they would make a change from FF6 to FF7 anyway, because other games were changing as well.. they had plenty of guys to make a decent scenario, art and everything.. FF7 was a game released by a company, not by a band.

I didn't say anything about MGS btw, but anyway - MGS 1 wasn't like any other game at that time, it wasn't just a stealth or a action or anything that simple.. and yes I suppose it wouldn't be like that without Kojima. but FF7 was a console rpg, like Chrono Trigger before it or Xenogears, that came out at the same time. not to mention non-Square rpgs.. with Sakaguchi, or without him, Square would make altogether the same game.

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He was already in the process of quitting Squeenix and forming Mistwalker during the making of FFX so of course he wasn't the main man behind it.

I'm not so sure about that.. FF10 project started in 1999, and one of the main reasons Sakaguchi left was because Spirits Within failed.

you guys are just stubborn. Krunal is right and a 77% rating is good?!? Both of those sites take the averages of the others do they not? that means that there was also lower scores than that as well. a jRPG getting a 77% as the average score in Japan is pretty sad.

As for the one man makes a difference crap, All of you are basing this off ONE game (XI doesnt really count to a lot of people) that still did very well. that is not enough to go on.

Please, FFX is by far one of the best FF ever made, that is not arguable!

As for MGS4, yes, actually it did increase the sales of PS3, just not by as much as some hoped.

as for the bottomline, it is funny to see all these FF diehards dishing the FF series now and yet they will continue to buy the numbered titles. Why are you making a fuss over this? Do you realize this thread is about Versus being on hold or not, which we now know is that it is not on hold.

Oops, yeah I did misinterpret what you meant pyramidreaper.
FFVII might have had the same success without Sakaguchi, but it really would have been a COMPLETELY different game without him.
Sakaguchi came up with the story's concept (as the scenario concept writer) - Kitase, Nomura, and Nojima were the ones who fleshed it out (as the scenario writers). Here is Final Fantasy VII's original development ideas - even that shows how vastly different the game was going to be.

quote ShadowGuard

As for the one man makes a difference crap, All of you are basing this off ONE game (XI doesnt really count to a lot of people) that still did very well. that is not enough to go on.

There has been more than one FF game released after Sakaguchi left. This is counting the spinoffs and sequel/prequels. Jut because they aren't a part of the main series, doesn't mean they don't count.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how the main series has been affected when FFXIII is released. Though I'm keeping my eyes on Versus's success, since it's not being handles by the main FF team.

quote ShadowGuard

a 77% rating is good?!?

Er ... Yes.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have plenty of games that got rated around the 7/10 - 8/10 range and to me that's a good score. If a game is borderlining 8/10 then that's a good enough reason to check it out, imo. (but then again, it seems to be a trend lately that people can't accept when games don't get perfect 10s).



This message was edited by Gothic Girl on Jun 27 2008.

quote Fire Fox

And for a JRPG...no, 77% is not a good score, imo.

So, by that logic FFIII, FFIV, FF: Tactics, Crisis Core, and dare I say FFVIII (PC version mind you. lol) all revieved crap scores since they're hovering around the 77-80 mark.


edit: I'm a little disappointed to find that Shadow Hearts 1 and 2 only got 76% and 86% when I thought they were better PS2 RPGs than FFX.

This message was edited by Gothic Girl on Jun 27 2008.

1. FFX - the list of the games you listed was your opinion. while mine is opinion, the majority agrees with me. go to the FFVII and see which game is compared to it the most. Even has a 20+page thread just for it FFVII vs FFX. FFX is my favorite game of all time followed closely by FFVII. I will even say Crisis Core was only an average game (yes i beat the game), it just had a good story.

2. again, back to the one man makes a series. What games are we talking about, the numbered ones. The only other final fantasy games that have been made are ports of previous, so they are neither for nor against anything in this arguement. The only real new one is FFTA2 which is an amazing game. Either way, both games have sold well and FFTA2 is A class material while FFXII still is a decent game. Two new games and FF has lost its touch? I dont see it.

3. Yes, 77% is not a very good score. In most american schools, 77% is a C, an average grade. As for the PC version, who cares, the PC version never got anything good to come from it.

You may think shadowhearts 1 & 2 are better than FFX. But majority are on FFX's and sales alone will tell you that, but if you really think the majority likes the games you listed more than FFX, then I am disappointed.