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Gan Ning29
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Aug 30, 08 at 6:39pm
better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

none but here r some stuff i lik

liu bei, fights for his oath brothers,his people
sun quan, fights for the legacy of his clan
cao cao, never gave up on his ambition, started the rebellion of dong zhuo
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re: better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

Just so you know, the majority of people from this forum are over at the Neoseeker General Koei Forum, so you may get more answers there


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Sep 01, 08 at 2:38am
re: better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

Cao Cao, conquered two thirds of the land, ended the famine in the north and while a deeply flawed man, he was a genius capable of great kindness
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Liu Bei, however, started with almost nothing (even though he was a relative to the former emperor. He got the people to love him and did so much even though Shu was the smallest of the three, his only flaw was Yi Ling.


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Sep 05, 08 at 10:40am
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Best ruler? I think it would have be Liu Bei because of his love and respect for the people. Cao Cao might have been a good general and tactician, but he was cruel and ruthless. Sun Quan was pretty good, but achieved comparatively little to the other two in terms of military success and gaining new territory.


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Sep 28, 08 at 10:33pm
re: better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

Liu Bei was always my favorite leader of the three, but I still want the old Liu Bei back not the DW6.

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Oct 29, 08 at 4:44am
re: better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

To short and simple: Liu Bei

But it's all down to opinion....

Debate...?


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Nov 12, 08 at 7:42am
re: better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

Cao Cao...

He relied on his own ability to get into power..

Liu Bei relied heavily on his surname

whereas

Sun Quan had his kingdom pretty much set up for him by Sun Jian and Sun Ce


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Nov 20, 08 at 8:36am
re: better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

Ahhhh......But, Once Liu Bei Acquired What Was Needed For Him To Unite The Land, He Managed It Pretty Well Did He Not?

Not Mocking Your Opinion. I Agree Cao Cao Was An Effective Leader. I just Don't Agree With His Methods And Yes Sun Quan Did Have The Kingdom Handed Down To Him.

I Think That Had Sun Jian Not Have Been Ambushed, Wu Might Have Triumphed, Especially With The Men He Would've Commanded Afterward As Well, All Providing He Didn't Die Too Early Due To Illness That Is. It's A Hard One To Call....


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Jun 14, 09 at 7:54am
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I Believe Lord Liu Bei Would Have Made A Great Ruler Of All China. Liu Bei Was a Family Member Of The Han Royal Family . Liu Bei Fought For The Genuine Kindess Of The People. And Look At All The Peasents Who Helped Lord Liu BEcause He Helped Them. Lord Cao Cao Wasnt Really as Kind As Liu More Of A I want The Capital More Than You Guy. Lord Sun Quan Decided To Do O I Want To Make The Sun Clan Famous
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Jul 06, 09 at 3:13am
re: better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

Better ruler, I would have to say Cao Cao. I disagree when people say he wasn't kind. History shows he was a kind ruler, ruthless to his enemies, yes, but kind to the people he ruled. I also think he would make a better ruler because of his military skills which would deter other empires from attacking his land (because if enemy rulers attacked, they would cause pain and suffering to the people in the land being attacked) because they fear him.

So from a peasant standpoint, I would want Cao Cao to be my ruler because he brings more stability because others fear him enough that they are less likely to attack his land.


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Nov 05, 09 at 2:51pm
re: better ruler, cao cao, sun quan, liu bei?

Lord Liu bei
he fought for the people of shu and tryed restoreing the han empire and his brothers so i go with Liu bei



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Nov 09, 09 at 8:13am
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quote ShadowGuard
Liu Bei, however, started with almost nothing (even though he was a relative to the former emperor. He got the people to love him and did so much even though Shu was the smallest of the three, his only flaw was Yi Ling.
Not quite true. One main knock against him was that he was not sufficiently...practical for a leader at his level. He lost Jingzhou to Cao Cao because he wouldn't displace Liu Biao's children, for instance. Zhuge Liang helped a great deal with getting Liu Bei educated on realpolitik, but before him, Liu Bei's faction was getting driven from pillar to post, never quite able to establish a foothold for themselves.
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