I don't care if the zombie is straight,gay,White, black, Asian, green or pink with yellow spots.if it tries to take me out ill waste them regardless and with as much prejudice as possible.

This game generated so much controversy for having BLACK people getting killed when there was none when it was WHITES getting slaughtered. This isn't racist yes THEY (the old white people from way back)were terrible but the majority of people are NORMAL now quit throwing racist around to obviously none racist things. Capcom should of stuck to there guns citing previous resident evil as proof of non racism. I'm disgusted of the way the people who lived through slavery i feel sorry for them but its over.

Whats next PETA campaigning for the rights of the mind controlling parasites in there brains since it glorifies the attacks on living creatures.

My short but succinct views:

1. The game is set in Africa. Unless it's South Africa, having mostly white zombies would be unrealistic
2. At this stage of the game, publishers are concerned with $$$. Plain and simple. If quality control / PR at CAPCOM didn't stop this, it can't be all that bad.
3. Who cares if it even IS racist? Wtf happened to free speech? Don't like it? Don't buy it. FREE SPEECH BABY EXERCISE IT!
4. I love everyone, but freedom triumphs (and I'm not flag waving believe me)

Being free of governmental controls with respect to censorship (on a person to person level) is great. But what good is it when we start self-censoring everything? Is it not any different to fear expressing yourself if you are afraid to be outcast socially or professionally? It is important to note when corporate and citizen-based censorship takes the place of governmental control. There is no difference, only in name.

Im all for free speech but this is a game that's gonna reach out to many people and if a game is obviously racist then what is it saying about the rights of a race. People may think its okay and government certified or something to shoot maim or whatever.

quote realmofthewolf

Im all for free speech but this is a game that's gonna reach out to many people and if a game is obviously racist then what is it saying about the rights of a race.

The rights of a race? Sorry, I only deal in peoples rights. Separating into rights of a race is racist in and of itself. Human beings all have innate rights and one of those is the right to free speech. So if someone of a particular background doesn't like what someone else is saying, they have a right to defend themselves (verbally of course) in anyway they deem fit. It should be up to the developers, publishers, and licensees to decide whether or not to include such content in their product. After all, in the (so called) free market system, isn't it up to the consumer to punish bad business decisions by denying the company their $$$?

quote realmofthewolf

People may think its okay and government certified or something to shoot maim or whatever.

Well, although people do tend to be herded here and there like sheep, there's definitely an innate sense of right and wrong. So if someone's going to allow themselves to be herded into believing that killing ANYONE is okay (let alone a person of a particular race), they probably shouldn't be allowed access to media in general let alone violent video games

Then again, that would probably mean that a majority (>50%) of the U.S. population would not be allowed access to media

quote realmofthewolf

Im all for free speech but this is a game that's gonna reach out to many people and if a game is obviously racist then what is it saying about the rights of a race. People may think its okay and government certified or something to shoot maim or whatever.

In what way is being infected with a parasite that turns you into a mindless killing machine racist? The people in it happen to be black and infected, you're shooting them because they'll eat you, not because you have a paranoid hatred.

quote Mage_Hunter_oh_yea

quote realmofthewolf

Im all for free speech but this is a game that's gonna reach out to many people and if a game is obviously racist then what is it saying about the rights of a race.

The rights of a race? Sorry, I only deal in peoples rights. Separating into rights of a race is racist in and of itself. Human beings all have innate rights and one of those is the right to free speech. So if someone of a particular background doesn't like what someone else is saying, they have a right to defend themselves (verbally of course) in anyway they deem fit. It should be up to the developers, publishers, and licensees to decide whether or not to include such content in their product. After all, in the (so called) free market system, isn't it up to the consumer to punish bad business decisions by denying the company their $$$?

quote realmofthewolf

People may think its okay and government certified or something to shoot maim or whatever.

Well, although people do tend to be herded here and there like sheep, there's definitely an innate sense of right and wrong. So if someones going to allow themselves to be herded into believing that killing ANYONE is okay (let alone a person of a particular race), they probably shouldn't be allowed access to media in general let alone violent video games

Then again, that would probably mean that a majority (>50%) of the U.S. population would not be allowed access to media

Yes people rights but for easier clarification i said race in question. All it takes is 1 charismatic person to believe and justify there beliefs to others and then you have a cult sorta like the KKK. Rights of the people need to have a certain limit but not so much that it constrains every company making games/films ect. Just the openly obvious anti-race ect .

The young are impressionable and you have to remember that M rating don't reach M gamers at the moment as much as they do kids as young as 8. WHICH IS FINE IF THE PARENT CAN TEACH THIER KID THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REALITY AND GAME!!

quote Curt Conners

In what way is being infected with a parasite that turns you into a mindless killing machine racist? The people in it happen to be black and infected, you're shooting them because they'll eat you, not because you have a paranoid hatred.

You notice that not everyone thinks like that?? Hence the controversy people. Some people see colours not the insides (quite literally) My opinions are identical to yours but i also know roughly why it was generated.

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!!!!

In the uk we have this issue with everything not being able to display the national flag in certain places for fear of provoking other cultures. Jobs to be given to people of ethnic minoritys over white people of similer or identical qualifications


I dont know who posted this but it sums it up perfectly

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It's easy to see why some will construe this game as racist. It may be easy to forget that these people are, in fact, infected with a parasite that alters their behavior. For the most part, the enemies in RE5 move and react in the same way as the enemies of RE4 -- the only difference? The color of their skin. The bodies of the infected disintegrate, and many will have plagas burst out of them.

Regardless, the imagery can be disturbing. It's unlikely that Capcom has any malicious intent by choosing Africa as the location for RE5. Although most of the enemies in the game are black, there are a number of strong black heroes in the game as well.

This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 11 2009.

quote realmofthewolf

Rights of the people need to have a certain limit but not so much that it constrains every company making games/films ect. Just the openly obvious anti-race ect .

Rights of people need NO limit. Well, none besides those agreed upon by a VAST majority. If a great majority (say > 75%) of people in a nation believe something should be illegal, then illegal it should be (like murder, rape, etc etc). However if a country only has a small majority or is split up the middle on a subject, then rules and limits are out of the question.

Companies are not people. So I think if anyone should be controlled, it's companies. But not with respect to the content of their product. Openly obvious racist statements only force people to face them head on and discuss them openly. And doing that only forces education (crazy right, education outside of the school). People are so afraid to voice their true opinions on so many important subjects such as racism, politics, etc etc and it's because of the environment of censorship we have.

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The young are impressionable and you have to remember that M rating don't reach M gamers at the moment as much as they do kids as young as 8. WHICH IS FINE IF THE PARENT CAN TEACH THIER KID THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REALITY AND GAME!!

You said it right there, brother. It's the PARENTS job to teach kids what is right/wrong, socially acceptable, etc etc. When you put institutions (like the mindless mess of the masses grouped into nation states, corporations, or governments) in charge of raising your kids, school shootings, rape, and massive violent crime is what you get. Especially if the society/government in question displays nothing but aggressiveness and disconnection toward and from human beings.

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Hence the controversy people. Some people see colours not the insides (quite literally)

The funny part of this is that it is the people that are so actively opposed to racism that are the ones noticing it and responding! They are the ones creating the controversy! Racists would, at most, enjoy the game a bit more because of the color of skin of the pixel zombies they are killing.

People who don't think that way aren't going to suddenly say, "Oh man! I was wrong this whole time. It's so much better when the zombies are black!" Do you see what I'm saying? When it comes to kids, they may be impressionable, but they do not INNATELY see colors of skin. It is the community/society/parents/media that teach them to see people as different when their skin color is different. So if they are even noticing the zombies are anything but just zombies, they've already been socialized to see this way.

This message was edited by Mage_Hunter_oh_yea on Feb 11 2009.

I actually agree totally with you even if my wording didn't really express that. I'm busy so i tend to rush.

If all parents would do there job properly or at least try to understand what a M rating means then their kids wouldn't be so racist or violent.
In my area there's a kid that's like i dunno the age i heard he was 10-11 i cant remember it was few months back. Stole a few cars and attempted to stab a few black kids. Got thrown into young offenders and he openly bragged about it ON GTA.

This also relates to resident evil because all they see is skin colour as evidenced by the controversy.

Supposed to be a few bills going through new york regarding game censorship and stuff. You would think they would have better stuff to do with the economy crashing.



This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 11 2009.

Totally agree, realmofthewolf.

The only thing we differ on is that I think games that seem to 'promote' or display racist thoughts simply bring it into the forefront. Again, it is the society/community/parents/media that promote and teach racist thoughts in the first place.

Personally, I grew up in a neighborhood that had just about every minority/majority equally represented. My parents never differentiated and the school district's methods seemed to reflect the community.

I must say that I was surprised and confused the first time I had heard any kind of racially biased stereotypes used. My parents were pretty good at keeping me away from biases on TV. Of course, I'm sure a little leaked through as media is fully inundated with this crap... but for the most part, you know what i mean.

Point being that we are not born with an innate sense of bias. We naturally see past skin color. Society/community/parents/friends... they influence the bias.

You make a REALLY STRONG point haha now i think of it making it forbidden fruit will just make it more harmful. People generally want what they cant have so to speak.

Just the parents mainly who are at fault for not teaching.


Lol i think you win this debate haha.

no doubt that we saw things the same for the most part.

Open mindedness is the key to true world peace

have a good one, realmofthewolf, my boss is back in the office, so i gtg!

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Im going to be really honest and say that i didnt even realise that any of them where black
I couldnt care whether they are white or black, they are zombies and they are there to be killed, that is all

I am actually prepared to go out and say that all these witch hunting exercises calling something racist actually do more damage to the cause of civil rights and racial equality than anything else.

Anyone who actually plays the game knows that it has nothing to do with racism and it only seems to be those that don't are attacking Capcom accusing them of racism.


Would it not instead be a bit weird to be in Africa and just be shooting white people and is it not more racist to say that black people would take offence to it?

quote Cord

well in re 4 you have to kill mexicans, Now in re5 you have to kill blacks, Also I heard a rumor that Re6 is set in Tokyo and you have to kill asian ppl, I just wish we could go back to killing zombies. why must capcom create so much hate?

Have you even played RE4???? I'm pretty sure it took place in Spain, not Mexico

quote Agent Persephone

I am actually prepared to go out and say that all these witch hunting exercises calling something racist actually do more damage to the cause of civil rights and racial equality than anything else.

Anyone who actually plays the game knows that it has nothing to do with racism and it only seems to be those that don't are attacking Capcom accusing them of racism.


Would it not instead be a bit weird to be in Africa and just be shooting white people and is it not more racist to say that black people would take offence to it?

Totally agree.

And yes it did take place in spain