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Feb 14, 09 at 4:52pm
re: Racism?

Yes, the game is somewhat racist.
The early trailer was depicting of a armed white man (Chris) killing hostile black civilians. The reason this is racist is because of the hisory there, with imperalism and what not. For some people, the early trailers were basically history repeating itself in video game form. The reason why it's not rasict for white people to kill other white people/spainyards is because white people do not have the same type of history with those ethic groups. I do not rember Spain being invaded and the people being enslaved by whites, do any of you?


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Yes, the game is somewhat racist.
The early trailer was depicting of a armed white man (Chris) killing hostile black civilians. The reason this is racist is because of the hisory there, with imperalism and what not. For some people, the early trailers were basically history repeating itself in video game form. The reason why it's not rasict for white people to kill other white people/spainyards is because white people do not have the same type of history with those ethic groups. I do not rember Spain being invaded and the people being enslaved by whites, do any of you?
Ok first read up on some European History between Spain and other countries in Europe before you goof off.

Second. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Racism is not just down to skin colour so your argument is null and void. Racism can be down to nationality as well. For instance a sizable minority in my country hate the Polish for no other reason than they are Polish.

The game depicts a town where a parasite infects people regardless of sex, race and skin colour and forces them to act against their will and attack anyone who is not infected again regardless of the colour of their skin. The game is not out to make the African continent look like it is populated by bloodthirsty baying mobs.

Chris fights back because these people are out to kill him and have no control over what they are doing.

I am sure if you were being chased by a mob of nutters who just so happened to be of a darker skin tone you would not stop to think: "Hmm I better not defend myself here as that would racist after all their past suffering at the hands of ancestors"


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Feb 14, 09 at 7:26pm
re: Racism?

quote falcowned992
Yes, the game is somewhat racist.
The early trailer was depicting of a armed white man (Chris) killing hostile black civilians. The reason this is racist is because of the hisory there, with imperalism and what not. For some people, the early trailers were basically history repeating itself in video game form. The reason why it's not rasict for white people to kill other white people/spainyards is because white people do not have the same type of history with those ethic groups. I do not rember Spain being invaded and the people being enslaved by whites, do any of you?
The thing is that argument can go out the window. Slavery is over society has moved on for the better . Slavery hasn't effected any of this generation or last generation everyone who was effected has died

anyone still using that argument is being racist by themselves assuming white people are bloody slavers or something. There just growing racial hate stop bringing it up. It was over a 100 years ago at least. And yes I'm sure there staring at a TV screen thinking NOOOOOOO my grandfather was one of those parasite things. Cry race more??

There has been many battles in Europe between everyone read up you'll find skirmishes between many countries that involves captures being slaved.Ill admit not to a so wide degree but still severe. Think before the world wars which i think will be the only battles you know:??

Oh and if someone is hostile and trying to kill me the last thing I'm thinking about is how much i may hate blacks, gays, women, ya mam or what not its dead or critically injured in real life or game.

I dont have any of them just example.
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Feb 15, 09 at 1:52am
re: Racism?

Racist? No.

Perhaps more tact could have been shown on Capcom's part, however, from a - perhaps skewed - marketing point of view, the controversy may have been intended. It is publicity for the game after all, and any publicity is good publicity. Remember how many copies of 'Manhunt' before its ban for supposedly 'encouraging violent behavior'?

Besides, I think the bigger political argument is that the US is attempting to police the world; shouldn't Africa be dealing with its own zombie problem?
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Feb 15, 09 at 9:18am
re: Racism?

the way i see it is, we have been killing white people in video games for years, as soon as we play a game where we kill african americans its racist? I dont really understand how that works but I believe that if we can kill different races in all the call of duties,GTA's,Saint Row's etc. without many offended people, it should be the same for RE5


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Feb 15, 09 at 9:41am
re: Racism?

Has anyone actually read the racism complaints against RE5? I'm not saying I agree with them, but it's a little more than just "a white guy shooting black guys".



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i havent actually read the complaints but I think any complaints about the "racism" is unnecessary



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Gothic girl could you post some of the more 'advanced' complaints of racism so that we could debate over that too?



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Feb 15, 09 at 11:11am
re: Racism?

Sure. I'll scrounge up some of the more recent complaints about the game. Some gaming sites have reviewed the first 3 chapters of RE5, and the first and third chapter seems to be where most of the complaints come from...

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One of the first things you see in the game, seconds after taking control of Chris Redfield, is a gang of African men brutally beating something in a sack. Animal or human, it's never revealed, but these are not infected Majini. There are no red bloodshot eyes. These are ordinary Africans, who stop and stare at you menacingly as you approach. Since the Majini are not undead corpses, and are capable of driving vehicles, handling weapons and even using guns, it makes the line between the infected monsters and African civilians uncomfortably vague. Where Africans are concerned, the game seems to be suggesting, bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory.

Later on, there's a cut-scene of a white blonde woman being dragged off, screaming, by black men. When you attempt to rescue her, she's been turned and must be killed. If this has any relevance to the story it's not apparent in the first three chapters, and it plays so blatantly into the old clichés of the dangerous "dark continent" and the primitive lust of its inhabitants that you'd swear the game was written in the 1920s. That Sheva neatly fits the approved Hollywood model of the light-skinned black heroine, and talks more like Lara Croft than her thickly-accented foes, merely compounds the problem rather than easing it. There are even more outrageous and outdated images to be found later in the game, stuff that I was honestly surprised to see in 2009, but Capcom has specifically asked that details of these scenes remain under wraps for now, whether for these reasons we don't know.

There will be plenty of people who refuse to see anything untoward in this material. "It wasn't racist when the enemies were Spanish in Resident Evil 4," goes the argument, but then the Spanish don't have the baggage of being stereotyped as subhuman animals for the past two hundred years. It's perfectly possible to use Africa as the setting for a powerful and troubling horror story, but when you're applying the concept of people being turned into savage monsters onto an actual ethnic group that has long been misrepresented as savage monsters, it's hard to see how elements of race weren't going to be a factor.

All it will take is for one mainstream media outlet to show the heroic Chris Redfield stamping on the face of a black woman, splattering her skull, and the controversy over Manhunt 2 will seem quaint by comparison.

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I looked at the "Resident Evil 5 trailer and I was like, "Wow, clearly no one black worked on this game." Because I wonder, and I haven't sort of really dug into it that much, but I wonder what sort of advice Capcom gave them. There was a lot of imagery in that trailer that dovetailed with classic racist imagery.

There was stuff like even before the point in the trailer where the crowd turned into zombies. They're hidden in shadows, you can barely see their eyes, and the perspective of the trailer is not even someone who's coming to help the people. It's like they're all dangerous; they all need to be killed. It's not even like one cute African — or Haitian or Caribbean — child could be saved. They're all dangerous men, women and children. They all have to be killed. And given the history, given the not so distant post-colonial history, you would say to yourself, why would you uncritically put up those images?

It's not as simple as saying, "Oh, they shot Spanish zombies in 'Resident Evil 4,' and now 'black zombies and that's why people are getting upset." The imagery is not the same. It doesn't carry the same history, it doesn't carry the same weight. I don't know how to explain it more clearly than that.

If it had been me in that situation, I wouldn't have put out a trailer like that. I think it's very easy to misunderstand what that game is about based on that trailer.

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There are moments that some will never connect with racism, but that others will see as clear use of racist iconography.

The game begins with Chris Redfield walking through an African village that appears uninfected. He sees some men kicking something in a sack. The implication is that even before the infection, these are bad people. If RE5 were set on another continent and these characters had white skin, no one would give it a second thought. Typical "village full of bad guys" gaming clich?. But these characters are black. And as such the imagery can be perceived to have racist undertones.

Later, there is a cutscene depicting a white woman being dragged into a house by an infected black man. In its recent hands-on, Eurogamer criticized this moment in particular for playing into traditional racist fear-mongering. To propagate fear of blacks from the time of slavery and through the Civil Rights movement in the United States, white society was warned that big black men are coming for your daughters.

Do these images and the fact that the core gameplay has you shooting black men and women make RE5 racist? The answer is going to vary greatly from one person to the next and, perhaps more significantly, from one region to the next. In Japan, for example, it's unlikely that the events depicted in Resident Evil 5 will be viewed as racist in any way. Japan and other Asian nations never experienced centuries of racist oppression against blacks. In Europe and America, where racism continues to be an issue to this day, and where, less than two centuries ago, slavery was legal, the imagery will likely resonate more substantially.

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It's easy to see why some will construe this game as racist. It may be easy to forget that these people are, in fact, infected with a parasite that alters their behavior. For the most part, the enemies in RE5 move and react in the same way as the enemies of RE4 -- the only difference? The color of their skin. The bodies of the infected disintegrate, and many will have plagas burst out of them.

Regardless, the imagery can be disturbing. It's unlikely that Capcom has any malicious intent by choosing Africa as the location for RE5.
Although most of the enemies in the game are black, there are a number of strong black heroes in the game as well.

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The scenes of something being beaten in a sack or of a blond woman being dragged off by black men aren't even regarded as the worst, or most-outdated in the game either. There are, reportedly, even more outrageous things displayed later in the game but Capcom has asked these be kept under wraps for the time being.

Villains and enemies in video games obviously come in all shapes, sizes, creeds, and religions. And thats fine because it mimics real life where everyone is capable of doing bad things. But by showing ordinary black people doing unspeakable things when they aren't necessarily the game's bad guys does seem a little beyond the realms of what is acceptable in this enlightened day and age.

Could Capcom be aiming for controversy in order to help sales?

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Despite all this, I don't think the game is racist. Capcom aren't trying to make gamers start hating all black people, and I highly doubt they think all black people live and act like this.
I think that alot of the critics are mistaking Capcom's view of black people with Capcom's view of North Africa. There have been plenty of good black characters in RE who are portrayed like any other RE character ... Same goes for other Capcom franchises. Sure, some of the racial imagery in RE5 might be a little questionable (or maybe even disturbing), but the unfortunate truth is that there are many people in North Africa who live like that. It's a Third World country, so of course we're going to see people hunting, scavenging, attacking enemies, and "glaring menacingly" at anything that is foreign or unfamiliar. These peoples' lives revolve around survival.

Though maybe Capcom could have been a little more discreet with the types of scenes they show in the game (and in the trailers). Black majini overpowering and "impregnating" a young white woman, a white man smashing black people's skulls, uninfected black men bashing something to death in a bag... Sure, it sets the scene of an imporverish African shanty town slowly being taken over by the virus, but maybe it wasn't wise for Capcom to include some of those more 'controversial' scenes in the game? Especially since there are apparently so many of them, and especially since they apparently aren't even relevant to the game's plot?

Meh. In the end I don't care. The game could end up being the most racist thing in the world, but all I'll be thinking is "when the hell do I get to kick the crap out of Wesker?"

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Feb 15, 09 at 6:50pm
re: Racism?

The sad thing is that you were always going to get this reaction, it's just too salient a premise: A white American mowing down atavistic black people.

Now, if this storyline was for RE 1, or something than I think people may have had a larger cause to complain, but I think it's quite obvious that the virus, which has already affected an entire American city has spread globally and is now infecting vulnerable, defenceless villagers - as with RE 4 - who are being used as guinea pigs. This chapter of that story happens to be set in a predominantly black place (Africa).

This leads me to assume that the harshest critics of this are the ones who have no idea about the RE mythos and are simply taking this game as a standalone example of white v black. But we all know it's not about that at all. And why these critics didn't feel the need to express their disdain at the Spanish 'racism' of RE 4 (which, in principle, is no less offensive), just leads me to conclude that they're of the 'it's only racism when it's against black people' ilk - of whom are the biggest racists themselves.

I've talked to a lot of black resident evil fans about this and not one of them has said this game is in the remotest bit racist because they, like the spanish, like the whites, like the asians, understand the mythos.

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Feb 15, 09 at 9:08pm
re: Racism?

quote MisterGolyadkin
The sad thing is that you were always going to get this reaction, it's just too salient a premise: A white American mowing down atavistic black people.

Now, if this storyline was for RE 1, or something than I think people may have had a larger cause to complain, but I think it's quite obvious that the virus, which has already affected an entire American city has spread globally and is now infecting vulnerable, defenceless villagers - as with RE 4 - who are being used as guinea pigs. This chapter of that story happens to be set in a predominantly black place (Africa).

This leads me to assume that the harshest critics of this are the ones who have no idea about the RE mythos and are simply taking this game as a standalone example of white v black. But we all know it's not about that at all. And why these critics didn't feel the need to express their disdain at the Spanish 'racism' of RE 4 (which, in principle, is no less offensive), just leads me to conclude that they're of the 'it's only racism when it's against black people' ilk - of whom are the biggest racists themselves.

I've talked to a lot of black resident evil fans about this and not one of them has said this game is in the remotest bit racist because they, like the spanish, like the whites, like the asians, understand the mythos.


Sounds right remember the mass effect controversy there basically the same. People who dont play the game or even look further than what there told or with limited veiwing . Kids today know alot about resident evil with all the media surrounding it like movies,games and Comic books ect.

Even my grandparents know what resident evil is generally about and they dont like or play. Its a popular series and there bound to be exposed to it eventually

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Feb 15, 09 at 9:47pm
re: Racism?

I'm a Resident evil fan and even I think it's racist. Think about it-an armed white military figure going into an African village and killing hostile black civilians. If that's not racist I don't know what is.


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A white military figure killing innocent black civilians.
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Feb 15, 09 at 10:23pm
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quote falcowned992
I'm a Resident evil fan and even I think it's racist. Think about it-an armed white military figure going into an African village and killing hostile black civilians. If that's not racist I don't know what is.
This is too easy to dispute seriously Read it then read my argument

YOur not a resident evil fan if you even think this game is racist seriously. How can you call yourself a fan of a game about viral outbreak,zombies or resident evil 4's "Los Ganados" which is basically mind control via parasite that was a possible start of the T virus . How are resident evil 5s enemies different from 4s??? Thats right skin colour you are racist

Can you honestly tell me that there should be only whites in Africa only killing whites in a country made up of mostly blacks.

Can you also say in the same situation that mind altered people that are homicidal not because of colour or creed but via mind manipulation by the parasite you would stop because there black. If so then you will receive a Darwin award. Your not a fan or just blazed through the games with blindfolds and earmuffs on because you seem to not know much about the story or background of the game.

If you can honestly say you'd stop before taking out a clearly hostile or cannibalistic animal or human with your weapon then well all words are lost.

I advise you to think hard about the background the story and all things resident evil before you answer me. Also why is it right for a white to kill a white or Hispanic person but once a black person becomes the target its labeled racist.

Was RE4 racist no because there were no black casualties.

And forgive me if I'm wrong but clearly when you take all this into account how can you call it racist

Your probably either not going to respond back or just skip to the end and say the same stuff i dunno message back.
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quote Falcowned992
It has portrayed Africans as inhuman savages that need to be killed, every last one of them(which was probably insipried by history), and portrayed the white man as the good guy, the superior, the one who should kill them all(again, inspired by history). When a non-black person looks at this, they probably see "lol it's just a game", "they're zombies so they should be killed", or "that was years ago so it doesn't matter", but when a black person looks at it they get harsh memories of the 1920s and what not.

Wesker isn't shown as an inhuman savage last I checked, he was super-human and trying to play the role of god.
No it has protrayed african people under the influence of parasites or viruses that have nothing to do with race .

How old are you and are you black. Unless you lived through it and experienced it i have no sympathy for you because you have no reason to bring it up as ive said society has moved on. How long before you allow blacks to be killed in the media i ask? Is it a total no go area for the rest of time. Are we forever to veiw germans as NAZIs even though the majority are not as well.

The past is important and should never be forgotten but it shouldnt give reason to cry race to something totally different. When blacks start sprouting parasite heads when there heads blown off ill agree with you.

Also it isnt inhuman savages thats the current stigma for blacks you know what is???

Thugs,drug dealers,Rappers,Facisnation with guns and crime. VIOLENT and that isnt helped by the media portraying that.
I know alot of racist people that dont use the term inhuman savages more in line with VIOLENT THUGS!. Its changes in the times that have caused the black stereotype to put on some clothes throw away the spear and start rapping. You know im white and i had to THINK for a bit before i realized what you meant by inhuman savages because the first stereotype i could figure out was thugs.

We all know the stereotypes for every race . Im english but i dont have a silver spoon in my ass and talk in a posh accent and drink excessive amounts of tea.

From what you are saying you are assuming all the people saying it isnt racist are white so can never know the true pain of knowing your race was abused badly.

Also the game is set in africa where there are many tribes that are BLACK and choose to live in that style its just depicting the infection or parasites crossing over the seas and into africa.Its not about inhuman savages when you consider that noone thinks of blacks as savages more on the lines of the above stereotype.
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