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MisterGolyadkin
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I have said above, if this was the first RE game and it was focusing on the mijinis being black savages then I would say there was more of a case for concern. But they are doing nothing here that wasn't done in RE 4. And the fact that it was done in RE 4 must show you that they don't consider black people to be an exclusive savage tribe, the virus has just shifted from one continent to another.
And as the person above said. The real villains are the evil (white) pharmaceutical company umbrella/tricel for using these people in inhumane ways. | |
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Miss Razz
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I'll quote IGN here ...
quoteHonestly, there's nothing wrong with finding the game racist. Just like there's nothing wrong with not seeing the racism at all. But it isn't fair to critisize people for their opinions of the game, and to say they "aren't RE fans" just because they do/don't see the game as racist. It's even more ridiculous to berate each other for having different opinions because we're all in the same boat - None of us have played the game, or seen the scenes that have set game sites off. We can only go by what we've been told, or by what we've seen in the trailers/demo. We're all going to have different opinions now, and we're all going to have different opinions once we play the game. ------------------- | |
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Mario_1
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1st of all, anyone who says they're zombies is wrong. They're parasite infectees.
2nd of all, if black people get infected and turn "evil" and have to be fought, then so be it. Why should they get any special treatment? Every race is equally vulnerable to the parasite. Ignore the complaints, I say. If ya direct your work of fiction a certain way, then allow it to be swerved because of interference from the real world, then the fourth wall is pretty much broken. And nothin' is worth that. ------------------- | |
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falcowned992
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quote Tiger of WuYou are once again looking at the gamer's context. You do not realize that people will look at this from another viewpoint. Yes, in the game they are infected by parasites and are being controlled. The point I'm trying to make is that it's still racist. You know why? Because it's homage to 1920s Africa in a certain view, the view that you can't seem to see. Sure, it's not 100% racist because Capcom isn't intending to portray black people like that, but that's how some people, including myself, will look at it. Saying it's not completely racist is justifiable, saying it is in no way racist is absurd. quote Tiger of WuSpainish people colonized America last I checked. Spain was a powerful country last I checked. Spanish people didn't get lyched or things like that last within the last 2 centuries last I checked. Yes, Spanish people have been enslaved and all those bad things. But Africans got it much worse, and even more recently. Tell me the stereotypes of Spanish people today and compare that to the stereotypes of Black people now ex savages/gangsters/criminals. Saying Spainsh people have it as bad as blacks is beyond absurd, and I won't believe you until you show me in the media an example of a negative image for Spainyards, not including hispanics. realmofthewolf, I told you I disagree with you. You say that it doesn't matter that they're black, because they're zombies. I'm not saying that you can't have black zombies at all, I'm saying that putting the setting in Africa, making all of the Africans into zombies and them being hostile, and having a white man kill them all is racist because of the history there. ------------------- ![]() quote | |
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Tiger of Wu
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quote falcowned992They are beating a Zombie in that sack... If something tries to eat your face and you manage to get it in a sack, then you obviously are going to beat it to death before it can get a chance to break free and twist your nipples/rip your head off. As for the menacing looks: if you were in a village that had recently been infested by zombies, wouldn't you be cautious of ANYONE considering they might want to eat your head? Anything else before I delete the existence of this thread from my memory? This message was edited by supreme kai(moderator) on Feb 17 2009. ------------------- I want to take the ears off, but I can't. I hop, and when I hop, I never get off the ground. It's my eternal curse! I want to take them off but I can't! It's my curse! It's my f--king curse! I want to take the ears off! Please! Take them off! Please!
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falcowned992
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They were not beating a zombie in that sack, they were beating some villager or animal, like with the lady at the cabin in the beginning of Re4.
quote Tiger of WuThey were giving menacing looks to Chris despite them not being infested, and I think it's obvious where that has led. And I'm pretty sure Chris didn't know they were zombies before they started to attack him, as he was suprised. ------------------- ![]() quote | |
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realmofthewolf
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quote falcowned992How can you distinguish between a villager and a infected villager when there in the sack??? And id be suspicious of outsiders in that situation | |
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Miss Razz
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It's never shown what's in the bag. It could be a zombie, it could be a human, it could be an animal. Either one is entirely possible.
As for the "staring menacingly" thing... I don't see a big deal over that. If I were living in a remote and dangerous North African village, I'd glare at anything that was foreign and unfamiliar too. quote realmofthewolfWas it ignorance that continued the racism thing? No. The people who are pointing out the racism issues are gamers who write for gaming sites who have played more of RE5 than any of us here have. ------------------- | |
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falcowned992
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I'm pretty sure that if he was infected, they wouldn't have been able to get him in that sack because he'd infect them. And an outsider would be the first person I would look to for help in that situation.
Nevertheless, I enjoy your attempt at applying comedy to a rather serious topic. It was my first laugh of the day. edit: you beat me again... ------------------- ![]() quote | |
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Shane
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I'd imagine they put him in a sack because his face turned into one of those vagina-looking things.
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Wgang
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quote Gothic Girl its not like I'm not going to get this game cause of the racism issue, i am and i fully expect it to be amazing. But, still after all of that, people still want to say that Capcom isn't suggesting or hinting that all Africans or at least north Africans are savages, even before the virus. in resident evil 4 the only thing you saw was infected people, so you have no idea what they were like before hand, but in this game you see infected and non-infected and there acting very similar. my favorite argument is when people say "well we shot white zombies before and know one cared and now that there black people are calling it racism", i could be wrong but weren't you shooting white zombies with white people.......... wait i know what your going to say "so what now we cant make a game were a white man shoots black people cause its racist". NO i wont have a problem with it under the circumstances (and i still kinda don't) but this game make it seem like every black person there (even before the infection) was a monster and the only one there with any humanity is the one lone, heroic, white guy. now i know a lot of people are going to get mad cause I'm talking about how some (not all) black people feel about this and not saying things like "so what if all the black people there are savages and the white guy has to kill them all". but i feel like this thread is full of people who only care about there side and have no problem with the fact that there are people out there that are uncomfortable. Just to let you know this isn't a big problem with me personally i don't care what the game depicts about blacks cause i know how i act and its not like that, and like i said before i thing its going to be a great game and i cant wait i just had to say something. EDIT: BTW it is just a game so maybe we shouldn't blow this situation up to much (if at all) This message was edited by Wgang on Feb 16 2009. | |
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realmofthewolf
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Issues like racism always have strong opinions from everyone. I dont see how the hell its racist because there are tribes like that living in africa at this time. Some dont like outsiders and will be cautious and act tough or scary because it will make the outsider think twice about attacking if thats indeed the motive. THAT IS TRUE . This happens worse in our society because they flash GUNS/KNIVES and this include white and black people. Its natural nothing to do with the so called dark continent its nature.INTIMIDATION. Many animals do this.
Now many tribes in africa will not have the same veiws on stuff like mental illness or disease and may believe it to the work of demons and witchs and what not so would be a little alarmed and panicky and beat the shit outta whateva was in the sack. A Infected person more than likely. The white woman getting dragged away is the only questionable thing in the clip. quoteIsnt the person contradicting himself totally in this statement?? Yes all people are capeable of doing bad things but it was fine until it showed ordinary black people starting to do these unspeakable acts?? All enemys in every game were ordinary apart from some super bosses ect. Also enlightned day and age i dont think so were still stuck in the past looping over and over Racism,Sexism,Homophobia. Were kidding ourselves calling ourselves enlightened. Until we can have a gay black woman have the right to DIE in video games and be evil for no bloody reason were not reaching enlightenment. If the shoe was on the other foot would it be okay for a black man to slaughter the white man because well hes a slaver and deserves it. Society hasnt moved on from racism. Also whats the first stereotype you will get from a white person of this day and age on black people. THUGS or DRUG DEALERS. The generation that veiwed them as savages are dieing out so i guess resident evil 5 should of waited till then. Your argument rely on social stigma of a past generation that seem to ignore the fact that there are tribes that live like that STILL apart from dragging white women away. Beating the sack could be a animal since well there hunters and its easyier to kill lets say a boar with it netted or sacked. And You continue to say inhuman savages when they do live in the sort of way. These tribes are very shy and tend to stay away from that. D Ignorance has caused and will continue racism until the end of it. Until E.T decides he wants us dead and invades racism will not cease. (No i dont believe in martians,ufos and what not | |
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john_4
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quote InFeeDelAdding 'serious disscussion only' as a subtitle doesnt change the fact this is a micky mouse topic. No its not racist, if its set in Africa it is bound to be full of black zombies, maybe people would prefer it if they wrote an Africa invasion happened and white people drove all the blacks out and then got infected, that way they would be white and for some gay reason there would be no hint of racism. -- KAIEDIT : No but it changes the fact that when someone tries turning this in to an unstructured, unruly Micky Mouse topic; they're on their Final Warning. This message was edited by supreme kai(moderator) on Feb 17 2009. | |
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Wgang
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quote realmofthewolfi kind of agree with you and i kinda don't in a way we have moved on in the scene that we still talk to white people and have good relationships with them but we haven't moved on in the scene that if just a touch of race problems comes up (like this game) we wont hesitate to bring up the past. and i hate it when people say thing like it didn't happen to you get over it when it (not slavery but racism)happen happened to our family like grandparent its easy for some people to ignore it cause they don't have to hear about there grandparents tell terrible stories of what they have see and what happened to them . quote realmofthewolf that is a very good point and i never said that there aren't tribes like that i just don't like how they tied it in with things like the woman being dragged off, and i hope that's the only seen like that but i do thing there maybe more like it. and i don't really care about them staring menacingly at Chris everyone stares at the new guy. i hope no one draws the wrong conclusion about me case i don't want to stir this up and like i said i have no problem with the game and am very much looking forward to it, just saying the problems I've heard and can understand why people would have this problem, so to the people how don't understand i just wanted to make it a little more real to them. unfortunate explaining something like this to people how already don't care is like describing colors to a blind person so i give up | |
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Mario_1
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quote Gothic GirlThey could've played a million hours' worth of that game, for all that's worth. It doesn't change the fact (inb4 someone gives me "opinion" bullcrap) that it is still a stupid and ignorant conclusion. Unless they happened to see some really bad stuff that we don't know about yet. Those people obviously aren't experts on racism issues and whatnot, because if they had a shred of common sense regarding that subject, they would have agreed with me. Anyone who claims there's racism here is just beating against the wall of reality in vain. ------------------- | |
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