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realmofthewolf true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2208 since: Jan 2009	Feb 16, 09 at 9:01pm re: Racism?
	quote Wgang quote realmofthewolf If the shoe was on the other foot would it be okay for a black man to slaughter the white man because well hes a slaver and deserves it. Society hasnt moved on from racism. i kind of agree with you and i kinda don't in a way we have moved on in the scene that we still talk to white people and have good relationships with them but we haven't moved on in the scene that if just a touch of race problems comes up (like this game) we wont hesitate to bring up the past. and i hate it when people say thing like it didn't happen to you get over it when it (not slavery but racism)happen happened to our family like grandparent its easy for some people to ignore it cause they don't have to hear about there grandparents tell terrible stories of what they have see and what happened to them . quote realmofthewolf Your argument rely on social stigma of a past generation that seem to ignore the fact that there are tribes that live like that STILL apart from dragging white women away. Beating the sack could be a animal since well there hunters and its easier to kill lets say a boar with it netted or sacked. And You continue to say inhuman savages when they do live in the sort of way. These tribes are very shy and tend to stay away from that. D that is a very good point and i never said that there aren't tribes like that i just don't like how they tied it in with things like the woman being dragged off, and i hope that's the only seen like that but i do thing there maybe more like it. and i don't really care about them staring menacingly at Chris everyone stares at the new guy. i hope no one draws the wrong conclusion about me case i don't want to stir this up and like i said i have no problem with the game and am very much looking forward to it, just saying the problems I've heard and can understand why people would have this problem, so to the people how don't understand i just wanted to make it a little more real to them. unfortunate explaining something like this to people how already don't care is like describing colors to a blind person so i give up I understood every point made by people like yourself about this so called racism i know where its coming from but its still skin deep thats what it boils down to. Humanitys past contains all our successes and all of our mistakes and we must learn from them but we cant fully get rid of racism if the sins of the father are passed down to the sons. I didnt do anything relating to slavery and neither did my father or his father. It happened A long time ago and society has moved on alot . If we are to be equals we need to be able to represented or mispresented equally. There are still some very racist people around but most of the new generations of white have changed for the better. While grandad is busy telling his life story to his children and there children because of the strong family bond you grow a certain bias or hate for whites. Yes it happened noone can deny it. It was dispicable and evil but till that past is accepted as a long time ago(which it was)and realization that you are equals now in society eyes. Whites can be killed for no reason in games but blacks? No. Im not saying it didnt happen. I said it did and we must learn from it and not let it drag on and breed more hate passed down from generation to generation. A passive or active racist is still a racist.
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Wgang s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1637 since: Oct 2007	Feb 16, 09 at 9:34pm re: Racism?
	quote realmofthewolf While grandad is busy telling his life story to his children and there children because of the strong family bond you grow a certain bias or hate for whites. and i hope you dont think i hate white people i meet to many good individuals who are white to hate them as a whole EDIT: like you yourself seems like a very realistic person that wouldn't have given this race thing any thought if it wasn't brought up quote realmofthewolf Whites can be killed for no reason in games but blacks? No. and like i said (or at least i think i said it) its not that your shooting black people if i was mad at that i wouldn't buy the game much less the collectors addition, the only thing that has some people on edge is the way the "tribes" in the game are acting like the kick of the bag or the woman being dragged off. and like i also said it doesn't bother me because i know there are people that act like that and i know that i or anyone i know isn't one of them. when I'm playing this game I'm not going to get all pissed off that i payed to shoot black guys i know it going to be a great game no matter how the antagonists are i was just speaking in behalf of the people how did get a little offended because i know personally were they are coming from. and to be honest i hope this hole racism thing blows over case people are making it a bigger deal then it needs to be. This message was edited by supreme kai(moderator) on Feb 17 2009.
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Miss Razz Full Of Gacktly Goodness (moderator) RPG [PS3] since: Sep 2003	Feb 17, 09 at 3:11am re: Racism?
	quote Mario_1 quote Gothic Girl Was it ignorance that continued the racism thing? No. The people who are pointing out the racism issues are gamers who write for gaming sites who have played more of RE5 than any of us here have. They could've played a million hours' worth of that game, for all that's worth. It doesn't change the fact (inb4 someone gives me "opinion" bullcrap) that it is still a stupid and ignorant conclusion. Unless they happened to see some really bad stuff that we don't know about yet. That's what I was saying. The people who have played the first three chapters seem to think there is some really bad stuff that we don't know about yet. But judging by the few previews we have gotten, it doesn't surprise me that some people would find certain scenes racist. And when the game is actually released, there'll probably be even more people who are offended by it. I personally don't think the game is racist (from what I've seen/heard), but I can see why some people would think it is. And tbh, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Different peole are offended by different things. But I'm not goin gto jump on their backs and yell: "You're wrong! You shouldn't be offended by this!!" ------------------- \| <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 \|
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Mario_1 Christmas season! Yeeeeeeeeah!!!! Neoholic total posts: 11458 since: Jun 2004	Feb 17, 09 at 3:53am re: Racism?
	quote Gothic Girl Different peole are offended by different things. But I'm not goin gto jump on their backs and yell: "You're wrong! You shouldn't be offended by this!!" Me neither, but this thread's just askin' for it.
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Mage_Hunter_oh_yea dangerous total posts: 197 since: Feb 2009	Feb 17, 09 at 5:53pm re: Racism?
	Think it's racist? Don't play it. Don't let ur kids play it. Make sure the parents of ur kids' friends know that they aren't to play it when ur kid is there. Teach ur kids about real racism as it happens in the real world and has happened since the beginning of civilization. Don't allow institutions to assume control over what people are allowed to use in their 1st amendment protected creative works. Perhaps the CAPCOM team wanted to force the issue into the open (unlikely, but hey devil's advocate here). Maybe the creators at CAPCOM wanted you to see how ridiculous the old stereotypes were... or maybe they're a bunch of racist fools... whatever. Oh, and those of you who say that slavery is done with/over don't realize that it has simply changed names and who it controls. It has spread far beyond racial lines.
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supreme kai Caaaaptain Caaaveemaaaan! (moderator) Resident Evil 5 Survival Horror Social wiki staff residentevil since: Dec 2004	Feb 17, 09 at 6:16pm re: Racism?
	Guys, I've cleaned out the the thread and had a word with everyone who was directly involved in the dispute. The warning: *Warning: Tact is required in this thread; Any agressive, racist or in any way offensive posts will be deleted and action will be taken.* Is at the top of the thread for a reason. Unless you have something contructive to say — something that you haven't already said, shut the hell up. Follow the Forum Rules and please do not: Reitterate yourself, once you've expressed your opinion, do not feel the need to do so continuously until everyone is bored Counter-argue every post that disagrees with your own Try to impose your opinion on others And in the interest of avoiding confusion > dispute, please try to use good grammar This thread has generated some valuable discussion, so I'm leaving it open simply because there are people who can conform to the simple guidelines above who are interested in this subject.
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Mario_1 Christmas season! Yeeeeeeeeah!!!! Neoholic total posts: 11458 since: Jun 2004	Feb 18, 09 at 9:42pm re: Racism?
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Spartan 2 Sedated for your protection. gone postal total posts: 450 since: Jul 2003	Feb 21, 09 at 7:16am re: Racism?
	Im glad the mod stepped in because while there is plenty of valuable insight..frankly this thread contains a lot of dribble. I just got done reading all 6 pages of posts and here's what I've come up with. The misunderstanding that people are upset because the game contains 'shooting infected black people' isn't actually the problem. You see what they are saying so drastically changes re5 from re4 is not the race that has changed but the changes between behavior both before and after infection. In re4 I don't remember playing through any scene in which the Spaniards forcibly dragged/raped a woman. Nor did I see them violently beat something (Whatever it was) in a sack BEFORE INFECTION. I mean yea AFTER infection they stuck some woman on a hook, and then burned the two police. But they never show them acting like evil savages before infection. Their town consists of churches, farmland, and a mine. They seem like if the didn't have los plagas growing out of their heads they would be perfectly respectable town folk. In re5 I don't know about you but I would keep my gun cocked even before plaga shows up just because of the things they are doing NORMALY. Also the racism bit seems to be a euro-American thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't this game designed and produced in japan? I remember watching a trailer in Japanese with English subtitles and one of the creators of re5 explains they chose Africa because that is believed to be the place in which human life started. So I think this will definitely play a part in the story. They didn't just decide...I'm bored of shooting white people, so lets try Spaniards and then move on to blacks. NO. To continue the storyline of the re series, a change of location was in order. For this particular type of game they wanted to use a more primitive, third-world country. I would assume because a sophisticated country with cars and sub machine guns would eliminate the use of torches, bow guns, sticks, knives, dynamite, chainsaws, and large boulders. Re5 is not about gun battles. Normally we fight dumb unarmed zombies. They thought it would be even scarier for re4 if the enemy was slightly more intelligent, thus the plaga apears in 4 and 5. And I'm sure we can all agree...if shooting black people in Africa caused this much of a stir....sending Chris to any other third-world country, say, Afganistan. That would be a whole nother can of worms. To the argument saying "A true r.e. fan would know enough about the series to know its not racist so if your offended your not a true re fan" This is not a valid argument. So your telling me, as a white person that if I played a game, or watched a movie that was a sequel, and observed some sort of real racism involving racial slurs, stereotypes, or any kind of prejudice and discrimination, that I can not be offended because I don't understand it's precedence? If your going to go about this argument sensibly you must always treat it as if the person being offended is seeing resident evil for the first time. Because that's usualy the case. Now....If Chris was running around dropping the "N" bomb or fighting UNINFECTED black people that would be one thing. But I have never played a resident evil game ( 0-4 ) in which my character attacked first. Chris doesn't show up to the village guns a' blazin' taking out these black people. He is attacked first and proceeds to defend himself while completing whatever mission he's on. Also I think the lack of specification is very liberating. By this I mean, I don't think at any point in the game they name an actual real village or region of Africa. If capcom were to have said, this takes place in Village 001 in X part of Africa, and this is how the people who live there are. Then Id say yeah that's kind of racist, because your picking out a very specific group of people and painting a very vivid picture of them. And then of course stepping on their skulls and what not. But they don't. They picked a completely fictional village in Spain, and I'm sure they did the same thing with the village in Africa. Also, the girl is at least part black. I don't really know if that makes it any better or worse ( Maybe the freak-out would have been worse if it was a white guy and a little white girl slaughtering blacks in Africa?) I don't know. What I DO know is, I don't like her and I'm going to figure out a way to turn on friendly fire and slaughter her. ( NO not because shes part black but because I work alone) Do I think some people will get offended by this game? Yes. I knew they would in the first 12 seconds of the trailer. But to go about it in the most constructive way. You must look at intent. If the people at capcom were notorious for racial controversy and the game deliberately meant to offend, degrade, or induce stigma on black people, I'd have a problem with it, and i would think other people should too. If someone aims something directly at you with the intentions of hurting you, then it's obviously bad. But the point of this game is not to offend nor glorify any particular race. It is to reveal the latest secrets regarding the plaga and t-virus, and defend yourself against THE INFECTED. WHITE/BLACK/SPANISH/K-9/BIRD anything that will try to eat Chris. And kill Wesker, who is white.
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realmofthewolf true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2208 since: Jan 2009	Feb 21, 09 at 3:57pm re: Racism?
	Wouldnt surprise me if wesker was infected by the virus by now hes been playing with it for too long . Anyways i think the thread has hammered every possible argument,counter-argument and counter counter-argument out. And id be amused with the little white girl with long golden haired playing with the shotgun or handgun mowing down waves of zombies/infected whatever. quote Spartan 2 This is not a valid argument. So your telling me, as a white person that if I played a game, or watched a movie that was a sequel, and observed some sort of real racism involving racial slurs, stereotypes, or any kind of prejudice and discrimination, that I can not be offended because I don't understand it's precedence? If your going to go about this argument sensibly you must always treat it as if the person being offended is seeing resident evil for the first time. Because that's usually the case. That movie is different to resident evil since this is a series based on zombies and viruses with a new branch out into parasites with mind control capeabilities which is the entire backbone of the game just because you say its racist doesn't make it racist because you jumped the gun by not understanding the context of the story. The story determines what happens and with sequels that story is based with a solid foundation on the FIRST (usually). For example lets say i watched this movie that was a direct follow on to the first. Now in the second all i see is black people killing whites for no apparent reason and then get pissed and cry race. Then i find out that these were clones made to kill anyone if id watched the first movie. I would be wrong for crying race because i was ignorant of the that fact and would apologize. I jumped the gun after a sensitive issue, Now how do we know these are not infected. We don't actually know how long until those red eyes actually show. Ive seen countless films that show a gradual infection manifesting into more physical signs and it happens like that in real life diseases and parasites. Now we don't actually know what was in the sack but it could of been anything even someone infected and yes those who were beating probably are now infected from sacking it but i don't imagine it would be a instantaneous Oh I'm fine to Red eye evil zombie thing. A host take over is nearly always a gradual process The context images are used determines if it is racist. Oh and i have certain style of writing that generalizes people with you. I don't actually mean you. I know it makes me seem a little hostile sometimes haha. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009.
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greenleech133 gone postal total posts: 466 since: Dec 2007	Feb 21, 09 at 4:21pm re: Racism?
	It upsets me that people still pul the racist card. Its just a video game where a majority of the enemies are black. When I started playing the demo I didn't say "all right!, I get to kill a bunch of black people in this one." The game is only as racist as people make it. I don't care if the people I'm killing in games are white, black, blue, brown or green. Its just a game and its meant to be fun. And that's exactly what RE5 is going to be, fun.. You can never make people happy, there will always be a group of people who want to complain and I guess we all just need to learn to do with it. ------------------- Xbox Live Gamer Tag- green1eech add me if you want, but send message saying from neoseeker.. Currently HOOKED on Modern Warfare 2
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realmofthewolf true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2208 since: Jan 2009	Feb 21, 09 at 4:29pm re: Racism?
	quote greenleech133 It upsets me that people still pul the racist card. Its just a video game where a majority of the enemies are black. When I started playing the demo I didn't say "all right!, I get to kill a bunch of black people in this one." The game is only as racist as people make it. I don't care if the people I'm killing in games are white, black, blue, brown or green. Its just a game and its meant to be fun. And that's exactly what RE5 is going to be, fun.. You can never make people happy, there will always be a group of people who want to complain and I guess we all just need to learn to do with it. Noone is right on this issue but its sorta fun debating on it. Alot of cards are pulled in life for no good reason. White person gets the job over black man RACIST the man is oppressing us again. Black man gets the job over white person damn those blacks taking all our jobs. This extends to women too and actually this type of racism is legal (at least in the UK I'm not 100% on us)but in most jobs employers are encouraged to actively take on people of ethnic minority's or women to improve diversity if there qualifications are similar or Just below a white person or male. There are very few companies that will admit it straight out but will tell there employment staff to do just that. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009.
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greenleech133 gone postal total posts: 466 since: Dec 2007	Feb 21, 09 at 6:46pm re: Racism?
	quote realmofthewolf quote greenleech133 It upsets me that people still pul the racist card. Its just a video game where a majority of the enemies are black. When I started playing the demo I didn't say "all right!, I get to kill a bunch of black people in this one." The game is only as racist as people make it. I don't care if the people I'm killing in games are white, black, blue, brown or green. Its just a game and its meant to be fun. And that's exactly what RE5 is going to be, fun.. You can never make people happy, there will always be a group of people who want to complain and I guess we all just need to learn to do with it. Noone is right on this issue but its sorta fun debating on it. Alot of cards are pulled in life for no good reason. White person gets the job over black man RACIST the man is oppressing us again. Black man gets the job over white person damn those blacks taking all our jobs. This extends to women too and actually this type of racism is legal (at least in the UK I'm not 100% on us)but in most jobs employers are encouraged to actively take on people of ethnic minority's or women to improve diversity if there qualifications are similar or Just below a white person or male. There are very few companies that will admit it straight out but will tell there employment staff to do just that. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. I do agree that the race card is pulled often. Sadly there is racism everywhere you go, doesn't matter what corner of the earth your from there is going to be racism. One could say those companies are racist agaisnt white people if they are hiring minorites over whites. I just feel if someone is qualified, they get the job. Sad its not always like that. This is just a very touchy subject that is sometimes best left alone.. like having a religious or political debate/argument. Someone will always get upset and all it takes is 1 person to say the wrong thing to spark the war/argument all over again. I agree its fun to talk about but you will always have some ignorant people who will say stupid things just to sound cool, or just because they are on the internet and noone knows who they are. These debates can be fun if people know where to draw the line and keep them clean. ------------------- Xbox Live Gamer Tag- green1eech add me if you want, but send message saying from neoseeker.. Currently HOOKED on Modern Warfare 2
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realmofthewolf true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2208 since: Jan 2009	Feb 21, 09 at 7:03pm re: Racism?
	quote greenleech133 quote realmofthewolf quote greenleech133 It upsets me that people still pul the racist card. Its just a video game where a majority of the enemies are black. When I started playing the demo I didn't say "all right!, I get to kill a bunch of black people in this one." The game is only as racist as people make it. I don't care if the people I'm killing in games are white, black, blue, brown or green. Its just a game and its meant to be fun. And that's exactly what RE5 is going to be, fun.. You can never make people happy, there will always be a group of people who want to complain and I guess we all just need to learn to do with it. Noone is right on this issue but its sorta fun debating on it. Alot of cards are pulled in life for no good reason. White person gets the job over black man RACIST the man is oppressing us again. Black man gets the job over white person damn those blacks taking all our jobs. This extends to women too and actually this type of racism is legal (at least in the UK I'm not 100% on us)but in most jobs employers are encouraged to actively take on people of ethnic minority's or women to improve diversity if there qualifications are similar or Just below a white person or male. There are very few companies that will admit it straight out but will tell there employment staff to do just that. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. This message was edited by realmofthewolf on Feb 21 2009. I do agree that the race card is pulled often. Sadly there is racism everywhere you go, doesn't matter what corner of the earth your from there is going to be racism. One could say those companies are racist agaisnt white people if they are hiring minorites over whites. I just feel if someone is qualified, they get the job. Sad its not always like that. This is just a very touchy subject that is sometimes best left alone.. like having a religious or political debate/argument. Someone will always get upset and all it takes is 1 person to say the wrong thing to spark the war/argument all over again. I agree its fun to talk about but you will always have some ignorant people who will say stupid things just to sound cool, or just because they are on the internet and noone knows who they are. These debates can be fun if people know where to draw the line and keep them clean. If its left alone its never resolved. These issues need to be addressed and stay at the forfront for the right reasons. I dont mean over games or films (unless there so obviously racist)i mean over Employment or Racist people in positions of power ex The police. Problems arnt solved by hiding from them they need to be faced head on. Resident evil at the end of the day is not racist by a majority standard since it isnt banned. Everything can be explained by the context of the story . Ignorance started racism and is continueing it.
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greenleech133 gone postal total posts: 466 since: Dec 2007	Feb 21, 09 at 7:12pm re: Racism?
	I didn't want to re quote everything again.. Yes racism with Police I KNOW is stil very bad where I live. I have a good friend who is a cop and I've heard stories of people in his department who have stated if 2 cars are speeding side by side and one car has "white" people driving and the other has "black" or "mexicans" driving the non-white vehicle will be pulled over every time.. I'm not saying this to offend or make people mad, I'm just stating what I've been told. Those issues I agree do need to be addressed but something as miniscule as a video game compared to what's going on in the rest of the world is not that big of a problem.. I feel if Capcom were to change there game now this late to the release date and lets say put 50% black and 50% white into the game all they will be doing is admitting they were in fact a racist game and the problem would start all over again. I don't know what would be the best thing to do in this situation honestly.. ------------------- Xbox Live Gamer Tag- green1eech add me if you want, but send message saying from neoseeker.. Currently HOOKED on Modern Warfare 2
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realmofthewolf true seeker (2K Remix) total posts: 2208 since: Jan 2009	Feb 21, 09 at 7:19pm re: Racism?
	Best thing all around they have done and changing it wouldnt be a admission of guilt more of a cave in from pressure and would be seen as such by anyone that didnt campaign against it. There entire product catalogue proves that they arnt racist in anyway since they have picked on the undead,living,black,white,hispanic,male,female pretty much everything. Plus having a white guy as the most evil person in the game pretty much says hey were not racist .
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