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 greenleech133gone postal
    total posts: 477 since: Dec 2007 |
 Feb 21, 09 at 7:35pm |
quote realmofthewolfGood point, I didn't think of it from the viewpoint of them giving in to pressure. I think that's a way better explaination than admitting guilt.. I haven't played all of the RE series so I couldn't tell you every race or creature they have had you attack so I can't bring that into my arguments/statements. But maybe they should cave in and put more races in the mix of the game(your point about peer pressure and not admitting guilt changed my viewpoint a bit). I have a feeling they had no bad intentions whatsoever when designing this game. ------------------- Xbox Live Gamer Tag- green1eech add me if you want, but send message saying from neoseeker.. Currently HOOKED on Modern Warfare 2 | |
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realmofthewolf Two much Neo
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 Feb 21, 09 at 7:54pm |
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As long as the story remains consistent they can add more whites because it not right having a lot of whites in a country where the prominent race is black. For example umbrella sending soldiers to collect samples etc etc. If i recall they added the girl to calm the nerves a little. Which more than likely will feature somewhat in the game.
If they had scrapped the game or removed all the objectionable content then its just 1 more step towards censorship and that the last thing people need with all these politicians campaigning against computer games. If they give in once there likely to do it again. Well male and female zombies which are undead(RE 1,2,3) with a lot of white and black. Hispanic was added in resident evil 4 but they were living male and female. I don't think Ive seen any Asian people yet though. | |
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jonnyblack1301 sic vis pacem para bellum
neologist  total posts: 439 since: Aug 2007 |
Feb 21, 09 at 8:16pm |
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Does it really matter what race they are? Killing zombies is fun! Killing ghouls (the geranos in RE4 and as far as I can tell this one) is fun! No matter what you call them, no matter what race they are, if it has some resemblance to the walking dead, put a bullet in its head laugh at the splatter on the wall and move on because it's just a game.
This whole PC world is going down the drain because so many people are offended by little things like this. And once again, it's a zombie game based in Afrika! What race do you think the zombies/ghouls are going to be. It's a real brain buster isn't folks? ------------------- There's a hole in the world Like a great black pit And filled with people who are filled with sh** And the vermon of the world inhabit it. | |
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realmofthewolf Two much Neo
total posts: 2237 since: Jan 2009 |
Feb 21, 09 at 8:25pm |
quote jonnyblack1301Thats been said by alot of people and i agree but ya know  | |
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jordanfitz1988 i'm the same as them
Resident Neo   total posts: 2533 since: Jul 2004 |
Feb 22, 09 at 10:26pm |
quote Gothic Girlthis is the most intelligent scentence in this whole thread! people on here are saying "its not racist" blah blah blah when they are basing it on a couple of trailers and a 2 level demo...? NONE OF US HAVE PLAYED THE WHOLE GAME!!!! you can't really say it is not racist if you have not played the full games...as gothic girl said, they have played more of it then we have...and these are gaming journalists, why would they make it up for no reason? plus this whole debate about if the uninfected people are beating a zombie or animal or whatever...it may never be disclosed what is in the sack...stop talking like you know the game inside out when it isnt even released yet... and for all the people that say "well, killing white zombies wasnt racist" the diffence is that africans and black people in general have a different history to white people..its not just a matter of what colour skin they have you have to take history into consideration as well as this game does seem to hint as past events in history anyway, all will be revealed when the full game is released...im not saying its racist or not, i'll make up my mind once i actually play the full game... edit: just saw this, this is the other most intelligent post i have read in this thread which i agree with: quote Wgangwhat people are forgetting its not just a case of killing black zombies...it appears that even uninfected africans are acting like savages...explain how that doesnt hint racism...if i hear another "when they were killing white zombies it wasnt racist" post it will just show how little thought people put into their posts in this thread... IT IS HOW NON-INFECTED AFRICANS ARE PORTRAYED THAT IS AN ISSUE!!! DONT FORGET THAT!! stop acting like they are all zombies that will kill you if you dont kill them because they are clearly not... -------------------  [my guestbook] | |
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Drogo Baggins This Isn't Me, I'm Not Mechanical
s-e-e-k-e-r  total posts: 1906 since: Jul 2006 |
Feb 22, 09 at 10:56pm |
quote jordanfitz1988While that's true, I think it's safe to say that there's nothing outright racist in the game, and the demo having us kill mostly Africans is probably as bad as it gets. People are likely thinking it's racist because we're playing a white guy, and about 90% of the people he's killing are not white. I highly doubt there's anything more to it than that. I know we haven't played the full game yet, but I still very much doubt there's anything truly racist in the game at all. This isn't a Rockstar game. Capcom is not the type of company to do anything to outright offend someone. It's not like there's going to be something like this... Chris: The zombies are coming! What do I do? Other Guy: Just aim for anyone who's not white! Chris: Uh...Are you sure? I mean...- Other Guy: Yes, they're infected! Trust me... Chris: But that guy looks normal... Other Guy: Just do what I said! ------------------- "When All of Your Wishes Are Granted, Many of Your Dreams Will Be Destroyed". | |
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jordanfitz1988 i'm the same as them
Resident Neo total posts: 2533 since: Jul 2004 |
Feb 22, 09 at 11:04pm |
quote Drogo Bagginsuninfected black men dragging a white woman away to be raped.....? im just going on what i have heard, i havent seen the scene in question i dont think chris killing black zombies is racist...but uninfected people dragging people off and attacking something in a sack....acting like sub-human animals basically... and who else knows about the rest of the game, there may still be more we havent heard about yet edit: anyway, this was the 1st time i had seen this thread and read though it and responded to what i read, i doubt i will look at it again because people are still saying the same thing over and over without taking things into consideration, so i can;t be botherd with it anymore ------------------- [my guestbook] | |
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Drogo Baggins This Isn't Me, I'm Not Mechanical
s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1906 since: Jul 2006 |
Feb 22, 09 at 11:23pm |
quote jordanfitz1988I really don't see racism there at all, to be honest. The story takes place in Africa, where I'm pretty sure most of the population is black people. I think the setting just sort of dictated the race of the people committing such a crime. It's sort of like if 2 Americans did the same thing to a Hispanic woman in a game that takes place in America. I wouldn't find that offensive, personally. quote jordanfitz1988I hope I didn't drive you away  Anyway, I do see your side of the argument, even though I don't necessarily agree with it completely. I suppose I can understand how someone might view some things in RE5 as being racist, but I personally don't see it that way at all. ------------------- "When All of Your Wishes Are Granted, Many of Your Dreams Will Be Destroyed". | |
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Supernouva
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 Feb 23, 09 at 12:18am |
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Nah, it's completely ridiculous to think this game is racist in any way. So what if it's set in Africa, it's just another location in which the majority of the native born population is black, there's no way around that. I'm black and an African through my parents, but I'm not thinking about the the fact that the people I'm killing are black or African when they're infected and trying to kill me.
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Wgang ultra seeker
total posts: 1408 since: Oct 2007 |
Feb 23, 09 at 12:42am |
quote Supernouvai don't think anyone has a problem with that part but it keeps coming up, IMO know one cares what race a zombie or in this case an infected person is because there all tiring to kill you in the same way, I'm also black (though not of African dissent) and i also don't care whats in the game(for reasons i stated earlier). But some people are worried about how the natives are going to act when there not infected. I think that's were the most controversy is. (even though it just a game and this whole think will blow over after the game has been out for a while.)  | |
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Evolution Aura
Resident Neo  since: Jan 2004 |
Feb 23, 09 at 5:02am |
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I think everyone is forgetting this is just a game and that it's only seen as being racist by those who make that separation between race and skin colour.
A better term to use would be prejudice, certainly not racism though. Let's take RE2 and RE4 for example. In RE2 you are in a small isolated town full of infected white people turned into zombies. Some may assume that a small town as such would be filled with redneck trailer trash, but did anybody make that judgement? No. So now you have to ask, why not? In the beginning of the game you see a black man who has been bitten and infected who later turns into a zombie, who you then end up having to kill. If RE5 is racist then RE2 would surely be racist too, right? In RE4 you end up in the midst of a small Spanish community and proceed to kill them in large numbers, racist? Same would apply here, if RE5 is racist so too is RE4. This is a little off topic but let's take a look at a much older game, Breath of Fire 3. Balio and Sunder the 2 unicorn men are a reference to the Irish (yes, it's true), and throughout a good part of this game they pursue your characters, they are violent and aggressive and are called charlatans, and this is displayed frequently. Prejudice can be seen throughout a lot of games, some you may notice, some you may not. It's merely the separation of race and ethnicity that make it appear racist as opposed to the separation of humans and monsters, allies and enemies, friend and foe, for which it should be seen. I find it quite ironic that the ones calling this game racist are the ones making that separation between the ethnicity of people in the first place. Funny that. ------------------- | |
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Miss Razz
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 Feb 23, 09 at 5:40am |
quote Drogo BagginsI'd say it has more to do with the imagery behind it. In the early 1900s there was the belief that black men were dangerous and that they would steal white men's daughters/wives away and rape them if they allowed their families to get too close to black people. That's where alot of the offence seems to be coming from. It isn't that the zombies are black, it's the imagery behind such depictions of black people that are putting certain people on edge. Plus, the RE5 scene apparently has nothing to do with the plot (accoring to reviewers) so it's a bit questionable that Capcom even included it in the first place. Maybe they could have been a bit more ... subtle? Though from what I've heard, I wouldn't call the scene in RE5 'racist' per se ... Just poor judgement on Capcom's behalf. It probably wasn't a good idea to include an (apparently) random scene with a pretty, young helpless blonde girl being overpowered and dragged away then infected by a bunch of black zombies. Because, well, there's a history behind such types of scenes. It will undoubtedly piss some people off. ------------------- | |
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Zerfallen Neo-newbie
total posts: 2 since: Feb 2009 |
Feb 23, 09 at 2:35pm |
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http://www.thegamerag.com/archives/2007/08/naacp_lauds_african_american_z.php
Let it be done with. The fact that there were black zombies dragging off a white woman in a RE game has nothing to do with racism. How many random cut scenes have we seen that have almost NOTHING to do with the actual plot. It's all about saving the one or two people who managed not to get infected. The only thing left I have to say about this is... "Here's a lockpick. It might be handy if you, the master of unlocking, take it with you". | |
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Supernouva
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Feb 23, 09 at 5:41pm |
quoteThey're not even African American, just African.  | |
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HunterKiller666 Ψho waηts Canδy?
Resident Neo  total posts: 2528 since: Jul 2007 |
Feb 23, 09 at 5:56pm |
quote NAACPYou just can't make that shit up  And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't RE5 the first to include a black playable character out of all RE series? ------------------- 
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