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drpunk gone postal total posts: 486 since: Jan 2003	May 19, 08 at 3:22pm re: Sloppy Textures
	People see stuff differently. I play 360, my mate plays PS3. I was moaning about the graphics, he was saying they're great he's had no problems. Sat in front of his PS3, did you see that? yeah, see that? yeah, that? yeah, and that? yeah. Probably wasn't the most fun half an hour of his life. But seek and you shall find. IMO, the graphics suck. It's fine when you're stopped, everything's loaded. An odd scene can look great. But in motion, which games are supposed to be played in, it can be awful.
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ResistanceFailure Causing rectal spasms since 1989. s-e-e-k-e-r total posts: 1785 since: Sep 2006	May 19, 08 at 3:37pm re: Sloppy Textures
	I've only had one problem, with my PS3 version...a gate failed to load up and i went smashing into it at a very high speed. Other than that, nothing else has caught my eye.
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33549 since: Mar 2002	May 19, 08 at 4:06pm re: Sloppy Textures
	quote drpunk IMO, the graphics suck. It's fine when you're stopped, everything's loaded. An odd scene can look great. But in motion, which games are supposed to be played in, it can be awful. lol That's not a graphics issue it is a pop up or loading issue. There may be something wrong with your 360 that it is having difficulty keeping up with the game. Someone mentioned dumping your cache. I didn't know you could do this. If someone could explain how, this might help drpunk. I will say this: After more playing with GTA IV on the 360, online and single player, I do find it to be more glitchy and pop-ups to be far more prevalent than it is on the PS3. However, this could also be a cache issue. I was playing one race online last night and I was driving on what looked like a big white sheet of ice for about a second. In addition, I have found that LIVE, for this game at least, is a lot more wacky and glitched than PSN. It could also be a cache issue, but I find that sometimes during a race, let's say, I am in 1st place and there is a guy about 1/2 mile behind me, and within a half second he seems to morph right into my path. Yesterday, I rear ended an opponent who the game was telling me I was in front of. lol weird. In addition, a lot of times I notice the cars of my opponents aren't moving in a fluid manner. They seem to jump from one part of the road to another, back or forward. Strange I know. This could also be a cache issue. I should note that I have never had problems like this on LIVE so I am assuming it is the game not the service. quote doom destroyer I know i am also surprised 2 weeks in i have completed it 3 times one save to 97% and i am utterly bored, now some would say you have over played it but campaign 2 and 3 took 23 hours combined, this game is far to short and i am shit at GTA games, San Andreas took me about 120 hours to complete because i was bad at it, same with Vice City but GTA IV is far to easy and short as a result... Tied in with the glitches i have encountered i would would give GTA IV a 6/10. With the initial hype train still buzzing through my veins the game was flawless but now i have hit reality i feel it is a very average game. I am not bored of the game yet, but I played through the story and my first 100% completion very slowly. It took me almost 3 weeks. Now I am doing an even slower save on the 360 and playing online. I will say that, after playing as much as I have, both online and single player, that I don't find this game to have the same raw "fun factor" of previous GTA games. I definitely don't see myself playing this over and over and over again like I did with III, VC and SA, but I coould be wrong. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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doom destroyer I'm back!... In a sense... Still Seekin' total posts: 3591 since: Aug 2004	May 19, 08 at 4:11pm re: Sloppy Textures
	I personally think that Rockstar has dropped the ball on this one, even without playing it i can say with confidence that Saints Row 2 will be infinately more fun and probably better as a result... I hated San Andreas for its crazy stuff and over adding features, but now i appreciate it as at the end of the day even if i didn't like that game much it was so much fun and stayed fun just roaming around for up to 8 months after i got tired of the story. ------------------- «Doom Destroyer. Impossible is nothing.»
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ChiroVette (babysitter) (moderator) Action and Arcade [XBOX360] GTA Social Forum Grand Theft Auto IV [PS3] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas [PS2] Writer's Lounge total posts: 33549 since: Mar 2002	May 20, 08 at 1:57am re: Sloppy Textures
	I guess my problem is that I am very biased. To be quite honest, I think that San Andreas was the absolute pinnacle of the GTA experience. There has not been a game since, nor was there a game before it that matched it for wild and completely off the hook fun. Again, I want to reiterate. I love a lot of things about GTA IV. It is technically a masterpiece. Technically it is the best GTA to date. But, see that's my problem. I don't care how technically great a form of entertainment is. In the end, it's all about fun. While I marvel at the visual wizardry, the unbelievable story, acting, writing and even the online, the game just doesn't beat out the previous GTA titles in terms of pure fun. I want to stress that I think GTA IV, as a story driven game, is almost mind blowingly good. It is the culmination of a realistic crime sim. In many ways, it really is revolutionary. It blows the doors off of all the GTA clones, with the exception of Saint's Row, and it shows just how close a game can come to a movie. This is why I believe so many people in this forum and the GTA IV PS3 forum are so befuddled as to why people like you and I can complain about the "realism" so much. This is also why, as I have said many times before, I can totally see both sides of this argument. There is NOTHING wrong with GTA IV, except the taste of the individual gamer that plays it. Even with my complaints about the game, I can see how this does not make me right and people who love it wrong. Oh and while people not into realism in games are not likely to find GTA IV anywhere near as much fun as SA, VC, III and even the PSP GTA games, people who are into realism are scratching their heads trying to figure out what the bleep us wackos are complaining about! Again, it all comes down to the age old debate in games as to whether you consider realism a good thing or whether you think it often turns the gameplay into a chore. ------------------- It's official. I have truly become a babysitter on Neo. Redemption, I want my $7.00 an hour!
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Demonic Sword you gotta risk it to get the biscuit Resident Neo total posts: 2955 since: Jun 2007	May 20, 08 at 2:24am re: Sloppy Textures
	i think gta 4 was amazeing well IS because i got it a few days ago the game's graphics are great the combat is fun as hell but i guess i was so hyped about san andreas at first and still am because the sense of exploration and it was my first EVER gta and even without those bullshit myths the country and desert were always fun exploreing and driveing. i cant really choose between them because they are both some of the best games ive played also have you noticed how gta 4 is alot more dark and serious then san andreas and vice city? -------------------
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The Stinger How tall is this thing? Neolithic total posts: 6690 since: Mar 2002	May 20, 08 at 5:04am re: Sloppy Textures
	quote ChiroVette lol That's not a graphics issue it is a pop up or loading issue. There may be something wrong with your 360 that it is having difficulty keeping up with the game. Someone mentioned dumping your cache. I didn't know you could do this. If someone could explain how, this might help drpunk. Dumping the cache became commonplace for anyone who played Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. Loading would take FOREVER sometimes if your cache was overloaded. Basicly, this is what you do. When turning on the 360, hold the A button down until you see the title screen come on for the game. On oblivion, you could let go when you saw the Bethesda Logo. Im guessing it would be similar on GTA. Basicly it just clears the cache on your HDD and allows for faster loading. Oblivion was a massive game, and while I dont think GTA IV is as big, it definately has more going on in it like Pedestrians and whatnot. I will say this: After more playing with GTA IV on the 360, online and single player, I do find it to be more glitchy and pop-ups to be far more prevalent than it is on the PS3. However, this could also be a cache issue. It could be, Im on my second run through the story making the alternate decisions and I havent had popup issues or freezing, or glitches. You should clear your cache pretty regularly anyway, I usually do it each time I boot the game up. I was playing one race online last night and I was driving on what looked like a big white sheet of ice for about a second. In addition, I have found that LIVE, for this game at least, is a lot more wacky and glitched than PSN. It could also be a cache issue, but I find that sometimes during a race, let's say, I am in 1st place and there is a guy about 1/2 mile behind me, and within a half second he seems to morph right into my path. Yesterday, I rear ended an opponent who the game was telling me I was in front of. lol weird. These issues here could be linked to the connection speed of the host of the room. If the host has a bad connection, then the gameplay of everyone in the room suffers. XBL is notorious for this with their games. Gears Of War is absolutely unplayable if the host has a poor connection. You fire your gun at a wall 2 feet away, and 2 seconds later the bullets hit. XBL needs to have dedicated servers, and not be reliant on the connection strength of the host of the room. In addition, a lot of times I notice the cars of my opponents aren't moving in a fluid manner. They seem to jump from one part of the road to another, back or forward. Strange I know. This could also be a cache issue. I should note that I have never had problems like this on LIVE so I am assuming it is the game not the service. Again, this sounds like a poor host connection. Try hosting the room yourself and if the issues continue, you will know its the game and not the service. Typically on XBL, the host of the room will have NO lag while the rest of the people in the room have just a little to a lot depending on your connection strength.
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drpunk gone postal total posts: 486 since: Jan 2003	May 20, 08 at 12:30pm re: Sloppy Textures
	quote ChiroVette [quote=drpunk\|message:20035548]lol That's not a graphics issue it is a pop up or loading issue. And? Pretty sure pop in's a graphics issue. Can't find another catagory to put it under. The point being that Rockstar have tried to make it do more than it can handle. And as a result the graphics suffer. Personally, I'd rather have something that wasn't so detailed but worked flawlessly.
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The Stinger How tall is this thing? Neolithic total posts: 6690 since: Mar 2002	May 20, 08 at 4:30pm re: Sloppy Textures
	quote drpunk quote ChiroVette [quote=drpunk\|message:20035548]lol That's not a graphics issue it is a pop up or loading issue. And? Pretty sure pop in's a graphics issue. Can't find another catagory to put it under. The point being that Rockstar have tried to make it do more than it can handle. And as a result the graphics suffer. Personally, I'd rather have something that wasn't so detailed but worked flawlessly. Youre contradicting yourself here. If the graphics were crap, the game would have no trouble loading the massive amount of things in the scenery. What youre experiencing is a processing issue. The graphics are so good on everything, and that is why they take so long to load up sometimes. The intense level of detail going into the surrounding area can overwhelm the processor at times. The better the graphics are on a particular item, the more information it has to be processed in order to be visually realized in the scenery. What youre asking for is that R* should have either not put so much great looking stuff in, or made it all look not as good so that your processor could keep up with all of it. To a point, I would agree. Ive always been a gameplay over graphics type of gamer. It doesnt matter if a game looks great, if the playability isnt there its all for nothing. The problem that youre experiencing however doesnt happen on all systems. Ive never had any pop in problems with the game, and in the 90 or so hours ive logged Ive only had the game freeze on me one time. I was in the middle of a 4 star chase rocking an Infernus down the freeway at top end. At that speed and with so much going on, I had the game all of a sudden muddy up the graphics, stretches of road kinda disappeared, and then it finally was just too much for it and it froze. It could be your cache is overfilled, you could have an early launch 360 system that has problems with some games, or it could be your game disk itself. Many factors here, but I know it isnt universal because I dont have pop up issues when playing the game.
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