Nope I'm Actually More Of A Lord Of The Rings Reader The Only Star Wars Book I've Read Is Darth Bane: Path Of Destruction But Please Do Tell!

WARNING!!!!! SPOILER
Ok, there is this rouge assassin droid named IG-88 that was created by the empire to kill people(duh), and it broke out of its creation lab when it was brought online accidentally. It had this wierd programing that made it think that it was alive, or something like that. Anyway, it found 3 more copies of itself, and downloaded its special programing into them. Long story short, it created a plan to ambush a freighter escort with the Death Star central computer on it. It then made a copy, and downloaded itself into it. IT HAD CONTROL OF THE DEATH STAR, NOT THE EMPEROR!!! Think of what could have happened!

yes,that stragety is true....but,both of you are forgetting something-the death star posseses paticle and energy sheild generators that stop ships from getting to its hull,why do you think the rebels had to wait so long before they could attack the second death star??As with the first,it had the same capabilities only there were [i]extremly small[/i] gaps in the sheild that only star fighters could manage to wiggle through therefore,no ship no matter its momentum and velocity alike could penetrate this shield and even if the sheild was taken down,both the death stars defenses were designed to defend a large scale capitol ship and fighter assault.

One more thing-the death star itself also had gravit well generators much like an interdictor crusiers only far more powerful.As well as the fact that the super laser didnt even need to be fully charged up to do some major damage.

My theory would take place after the shield was disabled. Or, if you had been paying attention, the gravity field would not have affected the ship, and the death star would have moved out of the deflector shield's range. btw, the first death star had no shields.

No no my friend,it is you who are dearly mistaken.See,if you had been paying attention you would know the gravity and particle shield generators are safely protected inside the death star,therefore safe from any fighter assault.As with the cap ships YOU CANT GET THET CLOSE TO THE DEATH STARS HULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You see,this is because of a number of reasons,let me explain them too you:

1.The particle shield generated from BOTH death stars deflects all types of particles...missile and ships alike.

(just think,ships are made out of particles...so a ship hits the particle sheild...you know what happens next)

2.I under stand that IG-88 could pilot a ship through hyperspace,but remember something,that was a rather small ship.Capitol ships are too large and combersome to use those kind of evasive maneuvers,if cap ships were capable of such maneuvers, the ARR would have lost far fewer ships during the second Death Star attack.

3.You obvisouly dont completely understand gravity feilds.The feild thats generated from the generator is similar to a tractor beam and the only thing that could escape an interdictor crusiers interdiction field was to have a super advanced hyper drive and since this is the death stars technology vs. the star forges tech the sith ships hyper drive were not advanced enough to beat out the imperial hyper drive.

4. Yes,both death stars had these shields,the firsts were only weaker as i already explained(only small snub fighters could wiggle through)

-ARR=Alliance to Restore the Republic (Rebel Alliances more proper name)

Be That As It May Jedi Or Sith Infiltration Is Still The Best Method To Destroy The Death Star. One Bomb In The Main Reactor And The Whole Thing Goes Boom. All The Star Forge Would Need Is A Smuggler Vessel Like The Ebon Hawk, A Bomb, And A Few Jedi Or Sith With Stealth Units. I Would Guess The Death Star's State Of Alertness Would Be Low If There Was No Initial Skirmish In The Hanger And The Party Made It Past Hanger Security Safely. The Main Reactor Would Probably Be Guarded With A Small Barracks Near By With 15 To 20 Strom Troopers At The Ready But Even If The Empire Was Somehow Alerted To Their Presence Its Still 5 Cloaked Jedi Or Sith With Light Sabers Against 20 Stormtroopers With Blaster Rifles No Contest. Once Past The Reactor Security They Just Need To Place The Bomb In A Key Location Set It For 20 Minutes Then Get The Hell Out Of There As Quickly As They Can.

This message was edited by Stronghold on Jan 02 2008.

I see your point,but couldnt the death star just close its hanger bay doors?And your forgetting about the shield.

Also,the Empire wouldnt place only a dozen or so troopers to guard the one of the Death Stars most important areas,it would more likely be the entire 501st legion.

This message was edited by Mouza Yesta on Jan 02 2008.

Oh Come On They Can't Fit The Entire 501st Legion Into One Small Area Thats Like 5000 Storm Troopers Haha. I Mean't That If It Were The Same Circumstances As It Was With The Millennium Falcon, Obi Wan, Luke, Han, And Chewy But Replaced With The Ebon Hawk, A Cloaked Jedi Or Sith Strike Team, And A Bomb But This Time The Whole Thing Would Be Set Up.
I Don't Think They Would Close The Death Star's Hanger Doors Very Often Especially If They Thought Their Tractor Beam Was Running. Well I Guess They Would Need Another Strike Team To Disable The Tractor Beam Too Never Thought Of It Until Now LOL. Even With These Circumstances It Could Still Be Done If Stealth Was Practiced And Total Invisibility Was Maintained Throughout The Two Tasks By First Disabling The Tractor Beam And Second Setting The Bomb. The Empire Wouldn't Even Know What The Hell Was Happening Until The Ebon Hawk Makes It's Grand Exit And By Then It's Too Little Too Late. (Remember You Can Set Mines While In Stealth Mode In KOTOR Haha.)

Ps. I Meant For The Bomb To Go Off After The Ebon Hawk Had Escaped (Probably Being Chased Down By Tie Fighters LOL) Not While The Jedi Or Sith Were Still Inside The Death Star Like Luke Was In The Second Death Star At The End Of Episode VI)

Maybe That Will Clear It Up For You A Bit.

This message was edited by Stronghold on Jan 02 2008.

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Dont tell me you havent played BattleFront 2.You saw how the 501st legion was placed on security detail there,mocking the rebel prisoners as they tried to escape.Yes they could fit the entire legion in that station because the station itself was roughly the size of a small moon.

Your still forgetting about the particle sheild and not to mention a ship of that size is not capeable of having a cloaking device.

And dont you think with the cloaking device that would be rather hard,considering that you are trying to hide a ship of that size in a hanger bay full of many other ships.

I sould let you also be aware of the fact that the death stars main turret only had a charge time of 3 minutes between shots,and even the low powered shots could be devestating.

You Still Don't Understand What I'm Saying I Know They Can Fit The Entire 501st Legion Inside The Death Star DERRR. I'm Saying They Can't Put The Whole Legion Into One Small Area.(The Reactor Section)
Secondly I Never Said The Ebon Hawk Had A Cloaking Device I'm Saying The Jedi Or Sith Strike Team Had Personal Cloaking Devices(Like Stealth Field Generators)
Thirdly The Shields Wouldn't Even Be Activated Because The Death Star Would Be Tractor Beaming The Ebon Hawk On Board.
You Need To Picture What Happened With The Millennium Falcon In Episode IV But Replace The Falcon With The Hawk And Replace Obi Wan, Luke, Han And Chewy, With A Strike Team Of Cloaked Jedi Or Sith With A Bomb. The Ebon Hawk Would Be Tractor Beamed Into The Hanger Bay, The Empire Would Search It And Find Nothing. The Jedi Or Sith Would Emerge From The Smuggling Compartments Activate Their Stealth Field Generators And Exit The Hanger Bay Quietly To Complete The Two Tasks. (Disabling The Tractor Beam And Planting The Bomb) The Whole Thing Would Be Staged. The Ebon Hawk Was Trying To Be Caught In The Tractor Beam Unlike The Millennium Falcon Who Just Happened To Be In The Right Place At The Wrong Time. This Solution Is Basically Fool Proof.

Ps. This Whole Affair Isn't Going On During A Space Battle.


This message was edited by Stronghold on Jan 03 2008.

I know what you are saying,what i am saying is that the 501st would be stationed mainly in the reactor bay as well as heavily protecting the surronding sections of the reactor.As well as defense squads in the hanger bays to prevent any inflitration.

You should think about this friend,dont you know why the imperials didnt open fire on the Falcon??Obviously not,so now i will explain another obvious thing,the reason was because the Imperials knew that the ship had blasted out of a Tantooine space port and out ran 2 star destroyers....dont you think that would generate some qusetions???OF COURSE!

You see,what im getting at is that the reason the Empire didnt scuttle the Falcon is because it ran form then and then entered a system they just destroyed...suspicious right?Therefore the Empire had a reason to tractor the Falcon.

Your stragety suggested that the Ebon Hawk is approaching the death star,now for the Imperial gunners,this is free target practice because nobody has reason to tell them to hold fire.This is beacuse the Ebon Hawk is identified as an Old Republic peice of trash.

Not as fool proof as you think.

PS:there has to be a space battle to be going on,otherwise your breaking the rules.This is after all,a VS. scenario.

This message was edited by Mouza Yesta on Jan 03 2008.

Yes I Do Understand What Your Saying And I'm Well Aware Of All The Ins And Outs Of Episode IV. What I'm Talking About Is More Like The Forces Of Revan's Sith Empire Vs. The Forces Of The Galactic Empire Rather Than Star Forge Vs. Death Star In Open Combat. The Point Is There Are Many Ways To Destroy The Death Star. The Main Two Would Be An Infiltration Scenario, Or A Battle Scenario. Theres A Better Infiltration Scenario That I Just Thought Of And This One Is Just About As Fool Proof As It Gets. All That You Need To Do Is To Intercept And Capture An Imperial Lambda Class Shuttle And It's Crew That Was Returning From A Mission And Heading Back To The Death Star.(Something Of Little Importance Like Shuttle Tydirium) Also Instead Of Imprisoning The Imperial Crew Offer Them The Chance To Defect From The Galactic Empire And Join Revan's Sith Empire For A Higher Rank And Double Their Regular Pay. (Do Whatever It Takes To Convert Them) Then All You Would Need To Do Is To Assemble The Cloaked Jedi Or Sith Strike Team Armed With Light Sabers And Stealth Field Generators And Head For The Death Star. Once The Codes Were Cleared They Could Land In One Of The Death Stars Hanger Bays. The Original Imperial Crew Turned Double Agents Would Then Exit The Shuttle First And Proceed To Be Debreifed For The Mission They Did While Working For The Empire. Then They Would Quickly Return To The Shuttle And Prepare It For An Immediate Take Off. In Between These Initial Events The Jedi Or Sith Strike Team Would Activate Their Stealth Field Generators And Quietly Exit The Shuttle And Head For The Main Reactor. Once There They Could Plant The Bomb Somewhere Completely Out Of Sight, Arm It, And Set The Timer For 20 Or 30 Minutes. Then They Could Make Their Way Quickly Back To The Hanger, Board The Same Shuttle, Broadcast The Launch Codes And Get The Hell Out Of There As Fast As Possible. Like I Said This Method Is Just About As Fool Proof As It Gets. I Guess Its Basically The Same Method Of Destruction But Its A Better And Easier Way Of Infiltration. It Is Completely Possible As Long As Stealth Was Practiced And Total Invisibility Was Maintained. Like I Said Before As Long As The Jedi Or Sith Strike Team Remained Cloaked And Didn't Bump Into Anybody The 501st Storm Trooper Legion Wouldn't Pose Much Of A Threat For The Jedi Or Sith. Most Of Them Were Probably On Stand By In Nearby Barraks In The Ajoining Hallways To The Main Reactor With Only Around 10 Or 20 Guards On Patrol Duty. Anyway Even If There Was A Space Battle Going On I Would Still Think Their State Of Alertness Would Be Low To Medium Considering The Reactor Is Located Fairly Deep Within The Death Star It Would Create A Feeling Of Safety To The Troops In That Area.

This Whole Death Star Vs. Star Forge Thing Is Kind Of Ridiculous Anyway Considering The Two Are Almost 4000 Years Apart From One And Other In Technology. If You Lined The Two Up Face To Face Single Combat With Only One Person In Each Space Station The Death Star Would Win No Contest One Shot From It's Super Laser And BOOM! Good Bye Star Forge...However If The War Was Galaxy Spanning The Star Forge Would Win No Contest. Simply Because Of Its Ultra Mass Production Capabilities That Could Create An Unstoppable War Machine Out Of Energy Made From The Nearby Star And The Dark Side Of The Force. If You Could Ever Get A Hold Of A Super Star Destroyer's Schematics And Then Entered Them Into The Star Forge's Computers You Could Have Thousands Of Deadly Super Star Destroyers Ready For Combat In Mere Months Without Spending A Single Credit. As Long As The Star Forge Remained Hidden From The Galactic Empire By Disabling All The Star Maps Revan's Sith Empire Would Be Invincible.

Ps.Thanks Mouza Yesta You Were Right Though I Had Forgotten About What Happened At Mos Eisley And With The Star Destroyers. I'm Fairly Certain I Didn't Miss Anything In This Strategy If I Did Please Tell Me And See If You Can Help Me Work It Out. (Except On How You Think The 501st Storm Trooper Legion Was Deployed In The Main Reactor Area We Both Have Different Opinions On That And I Doubt There Gonna Change.)

This message was edited by Stronghold on Jan 04 2008.

Your stargety is very precise,but your over allplan is what is lacking.You see,stealth field generators,while effective,dont hide one completely,ill explain the flaws.

1.Stealth generators required some people to move rather slowly.

2.A stealthed persons location could be determined by small air oscillations,like those from fire or light.

3.Also there would be a silhouette to worry about.(considering the Death Star was full of lights)

YOUVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!If there was a battle going on the troopers wouldnt be lounging,theyd be extremly weary.As well as the fact that if there were a battle going on the shields would be on double power.Im not sure if this is correct but as faras i know,the only way to reach the(on the inside) reactor shaft(it leads to the reactor) was through the Emporors throne room.Other wise youd have to run the gauntlet inside of the death star.

PS-sure thing,i know we both have different views on the whole thing,and i agree,their unlikely to change.I should let you know one more thing,a while ago you stated the Deaht Star wasnt hyper space capeable.Thats incorrect,it had 123 hyperdrive engines.

Not fool proof.

You Mean My First Post In This Whole Thread When I Didn't Know The Death Star Had Any Hyperdrive Generators Which Is Understandable Since It Doesn't Make Any Mention Of Them In Any Of The Movies Or If The Death Star Even Had Hyperdrive Generators Or Not. So You Shouldn't Berate Me Too Much Because Even You Must Have Wikied That.(F.Y.I. I Realized That I Was Wrong About That A Long While Ago. Thats One Of The Reasons I Didn't Continue Entertaining The Idea. I Figured A Conventional Space Battle Destruction Just Had Too Many What Ifs.)

I Also Check Wikipedia From Time To Time Too. Just So Happens I Checked Out The Page About Stealth Field Generators And Found That You Left A Few Things Out. Heres Exactly What The Page Said "A Stealth Field Did Not Completely Hide Its Wearer, Although Spotting It Would Require Awareness And Great Attention. (Two Things That Storm Troopers Have Little Of Being The Weak Minded Individuals That They Are. I Don't Know Why But For Some Reason They Seemed More Intelligent When They Were Clone Troopers Working For The Republic. Anyway Remember How Easy It Was For Obi-Wan To Get Around In The First Death Star And He Didn't Even Have To Use A Stealth Unit. Also Remember That The 501st Legion Was Stationed On The Forest Moon Of Endor During The Battle Of Endor Not Inside Protecting The Reactor. This Job Probably Would Have Been Given To A Lesser But Still Skilled Legion Of Storm Troopers.) The Location Of A Stealthed Target Could Be Determined By Air Oscillations, Like Those From Fire,(Because Fire Emits Light That Makes Random Motions. Regular Light Like The Type Found In Hallways However Does Not.) And The Presence Of A Silhouette (Which Is Very Possible In Some Areas But Also Unlikely In Others Especially In Main Halls Where Lights Are Mainly Placed At 12 O'Clock Positions Creating A Shadow Directly Under You Which Would Be Barely Visible). Besides, To Remain Unnoticed, One Had To Move Slowly And Silently. HOWEVER, Skilled Users Of Stealth Fields Could Make Themselves Hard To Spot Even For Defense Turrets, And Could Even RUN WHILE STEALTHED.(Skilled Users Like Oh I Don't Know Jedi Or Sith For Example That Also Could Compliment Their Running With Force Speed As Well.)" Anyway Just So You Know The Only Reason I Think The Security Would Be Lower In The Reactor Section Is Because Of The Space Battle. In My Opinion The Empire Would Focus On Creating An Almost Impenetrable Barrier Of Security In All The Hanger Bays And In Surrounding Areas Rather Than Focus On Protecting Interior Areas Deep Within The Death Star. I Would Still Definitely Say They Would Have At Least A Legion Of Storm Troopers On Active Stand By Ready To Go At A Moments Notice But I Think The Strike Team Wouldn't Have Much Of A Problem Once They Got Out Of The Hanger Area. As Long As They Remained Invisible And Quiet And Took Their Time They should Be O.k. Thats Just My Opinion Though.

Well Anyway You Just Have To Think About This For A Minute The Galactic Empire Would Never Expect This Type Of Infiltration. Almost Every Storm Trooper In The Death Star Would Be Worrying About The Space Battle And What Was Going On In The Hangers More Than Anywhere Else. In My Opinion The Death Star Is Like A Walnut Its Hard On The Outside But Soft On The Inside. Even With The Stealth Field Generators Flaws Its Still Possible To Avoid Detection Especially For A Jedi Or Sith. These Flaws Would Be Hard To Locate Even If You Were Looking For Them And The Empire Wouldn't Be Looking For Them If They Didn't Know About Them Being There Now Would They? Haha Overall I'd Give This Strategy A Solid 70% To 80% Chance Of Sucess And A 20% To 30% Chance Of Failure. You Have To Admit Its Not Fool Proof But Its Fool Proof Enough For A Skilled Jedi Or Sith.

Ps. To Give The Strike Team A Higher Chance Of Success It Would Have To Consist Of Only 2 - 3 Jedi Or Sith At The Most. Any More And They Would Risk Accidental Detection.(I.E. Bumpung Into Somebody) Anyway With All That Said I'm Pretty Much Done Here Nice Talking With You Though Mouza Yesta. I'm Sure If We Each Had Our Own Side In A War Like This We'd Both Be In For One Hell Of A Fight!

This message was edited by Stronghold on Jan 04 2008.

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Thats pretty good,but there are some things youd have to consider,with the whole stealth field thing set aside,aquireing a Lambda shuttle would be much harder.Let me explain afew reasons you havent seem to anticipated.Hiding the bomb would be another thing(after youve placed it) because it take a moderately large time bomb to do enough damage to hurt the reactor's super scruture.

1.First,you would have to know what shuttle to capture and where(i.e. itd be a bad idea to capture one heading for Bespin and try to use it to get too the Death Star.)

2.Attempting to convert the crew is a really big deal,especially if the shuttle is on a tight sechudle or transporting equipment,because you would have no idea what it would take to convert the crew.

3.Suppose there were Storm Troopers abord,you cant convert those guys,and when the shuttle retuned to the station people (officers praticulerly) would wonder where their troops have gone.

4.The tight sechudle thing- youd have to capture and convert the crew inside of about 24 hours id say.

I was only partically reffering to storm troopers when I was talking about the stealth teams.Officers have more awareness then the troopers,and more than likely the Emporer and Vader would be abord (or at least the Emporer would be,Vader might be outside racking up the kills )The Emporer could easily detect the stealth teams.

20 to 30 % faliure?? Id say thats alittle lobsided,espically considering what i just explained.Id go more 50 50.(at the least)

PS-Yup,i gotta give it too you and Davik both,I enjoyed this...maybe we shall have more arguments to come.