i think this argument is over.
Death Star-1
Star Forge-0

I think this argument made absolutely no sense anyway haha. First off as I said before the two were separated by nearly 4000 years of technology which makes any sort of direct assault between the two space stations completely null and void because the Death Star was designed as a weapon. Blowing things up is what it was meant to do. The Star Forge was a factory. It was designed to produce weapons. Really its like a lighter versus a piece of paper. Now if this argument was more realistic some of the real questions might have been asked like how did the Death Star even find the Star Forge in the first place? Basically the Star Forge's only defense was it's secret location and we all know you can't burn a piece of paper if you can't find it lol. So yes in this argument no contest 1-0 for the Death Star. But if this argument was The Galactic Empire Vs. Revan's Sith Empire the Galactic Empire would surely lose. Just because Revan's Sith Empire's source of power would still be hidden and all traces of it (The Star Maps) would be lost to the sands of time. The one on Dantooine was probably destroyed in the orbital bombardment. The one in the cave on Tatooine was probably buried by sand eventually since there was no more Krayt Dragon to keep the desert out. The one on Kashyyyk would probably be covered in fallen branches and leaves which would make finding it like finding a needle in a haystack. The one on Manaan would be buried by silt and sediment on the ocean floor. And finally the one on Korriban would probably be the only Star Map likely enough to survive another 4000 years just because of its prime location. But even if it was sheltered its still unlikely it would still work just because anything worth finding in the Valley Of The Dark Lords was long gone by the time of the Galactic Empire...Stolen or destroyed by any grave robbers that entered the tombs over the millenniums. And even if all of this didn't happen to the Star Maps Revan would have to be a complete idiot not to go back and disable them if he didn't destroy the Star Forge. It's just common sense. So unless the Galactic Empire wants to go around and systematically destroy every planet they come across until they find Lehon which would cause the whole Galaxy to collapse into rage and hate against them then its unlikely they would ever find it. So with all that being said I think we can all agree that whether by obtaining the plans to the Death Star followed by barrage after barrage of Star Fighter Assaults or by the possible production of Revan's own Death Star the Galactic Empire would fall. But in the end I think we know that every man-made structure is doomed fall eventually it is inevitable. Whether its by slowly wasting away or instant destruction it always happens eventually. Be it a Star Forge or a Death Star nothing lasts forever. So yep in this argument 1-0 for the Death Star.

Ps. Nice to hear from you again Mouza Yesta. Its been quite a long while since we last talked I was beginning to think you'd abandoned me haha.

This message was edited by Stronghold on May 03 2008.

This thread keeps on time-traveling!

Haha yea I know.

well....its been a while but im back.
heres hopeing for a fresh argument!
p.s. im still here stronghold, ready to defend the death Star against another onslought

Sounds good haha. Maybe someone should make a thread about which Space Station is more strategically valuable to have. On that argument I'd definitely vote for the Star Forge because myself I don't see much value in turning the galaxy against me by blowing up planets.

well...if you think about it, there'd be no galaxy to rebel against you

your definatly right about this whole thing not making sense. but, those are the fun things in life arnt they?

Wow that would be a pretty lonely scenario and yea I suppose they are lol.

yeah.....you know, there were a couple days there where i thought i was going to lose.

also, when we first joined the argument, we both said (and i still agree with) that the station that was on the offensive would win. did you side with the star forge because i choose the death star or were there other reasons?

Well that was a small part of it but a few other reasons I had were that the Star Forge really was the underdog of the argument and I like a good challenge and a chance for me to achieve victory no matter what the odds for the underdog. Another reason I had was that I actually liked the Star Forge better than Death Star even though the Star Forge is just a small sized tribute to the Death Star, I really loved how ancient it was and the whole mystery and fog surrounding it. I mean something that old and still very deadly for it's time really deserves my respect. That and if I was running my own Empire I'd personally prefer to have the ability to create Star Fleets at lightning speed at the cost of nothing rather than have a Planet Destroying Super Laser. So for me its Maneuverability over Mass Destruction I'd want to have hundreds of Star Fleets that can go anywhere rather than have a Huge Planet Destroying Space Station that can only be in one place at one time and only a few Star Fleets to back it up. I know that doesn't seem like much of a reason but there it is haha. I guess those are the only reasons I can think of right now. Oh and for the record I still absolutely agree with that statement in that whoever was on the offensive that is the Space Station that would win.

the only thing about the massive star fleets is that they would have to be controlled by droids. i mean, droids in mass would have to have a central controller, making one big weak spot. as well as anything that had to deal with an ion cannon.

now, im not saying that there wouldnt be any living beings involved, but (a) fleet(s) that large would have to have some kind of computerized systems to help out.

It's not like they couldn't afford Clones. I mean all they would have to do is find a supplier like the Kaminoans who at that time weren't particularly friendly with the Galactic Empire anyway. I mean besides having Czerka Corp already pulling in the credits the revenue you could make on producing Star Ships for commercial and/or military sale alone would pay for them all pretty quickly I'd imagine. And even with the Death Star protecting Kamino the Empire would never risk destroying the Planet even once invaded its way too valuable to lose. Or why even bother with Kamino at all when all they'd have to do is pay off some Kaminoan Cloners and get them to oversee the construction a whole new set of secret Cloning Facilities on some other Planet to produce even deadlier Clones like the ones that were used in the Secret Clone Army. Lehon is just like Kamino anyway so that would even be a decent place to set up base. Oh and even nowadays in our universe Airplanes practically fly themselves so I'd imagine in that Galaxy far far away and along time ago but somehow in the future things aren't that much different the possibilities must be endless. But Droids ARE a hell of a lot cheaper and I suppose they could use Star forge itself as the control ship but keeping it hidden would then become a real problem unless they had some major technology on their side but I don't think there is an existing transmitter big enough to keep a Droid Army that massive fighting anywhere in the Galaxy. So I'd go with my first plan before I'd go with Droids I think.

This message was edited by Stronghold on Jul 25 2008.

i see your point.
problem with clones it finding who to clone,and suppling the mass amout of rations.

Thats true but I imagine there were other Mandalorians around besides Boba Fett. Fenn Shysa would probably be good to hire. Too bad Canderous Ordo wasn't around at that time a Clone Army made up of Canderous Clones would be unstoppable lol. Oh wait I'm just gonna say Canderous was on the Star Forge when it made the time warp haha.

lol, i think this is getting out of hand.