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re: Death Star V.S. Star Forge.

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no, most of you ppl dont get it. ill do it in a turn based style, letting the Star Forge go first:


1. Star Forge (SF) begins by mass building a huge fleet of ships. Death Star (DS) begins by charging up the main laser.
2. SF launches huge fleet of ships. DS continues charging up laser.
3. SF fleet comes to DS and begins attacking, and realizes it cant be damaged thanks to the shield generator located on Endor. Also, fleet is getting shot down by the DS's defence turrets. DS continues charging laser.
4. SF fleet flys down to Endor's surface, and begin looking for the shield generator. DS continues charging laser.
5. SF fleet finally finds shield generator and opens fire on it. DS is done charging main laser and fires on the SF, destroying it in one hit.
6. SF fleet destroys generator and flys back up to space. DS now launches its own fleet of TIE fighters and interceptors, including Darth Vader and his fighter.
7. Battle insues as SF fleet get partly side tracked by DS fleet, while trying to attack the DS. DS fleet and defence turrets continue slowly taking down the much larger enemy fleet. Darth Vader is racking up a high kill list and is untouchable.
8. SF fleet still havent figured out that the only way to destroy the DS is by attacking it inside. Thanks largely to Vader, the SF fleet is being whittled down with no way to replenish the ships since the SF is gone.
9. Finally, the DS fleet begins to outnumber the SF fleet, and slowly but surely, the SF fleet is entirely destroyed.
10. The Death Star wins. End scenario.

OR, ALTERNATELY, JUST FOR FUN. DS vs. SF vs. THE BORG (Star Trek):

1. SF launches massive fleet. DS begins charging main laser. Borg Cube (BC) flys in and stops halfway.
2. SF fleet sees BC as bigger threat (also cause its closer than the DS is) and begins attacking it. Despite the huge fleet attacking, the BC loses only about 2% of their shield strength. DS continues charging laser.
3. After a bit, BC has adapted to SF fleet's weapons, and so they no longer do any damage at all. DS continues charging.
4. DS fires main laser at BC. BC's shields drop 53%. Darth Vader wets his pants (j/k). BC fires salvo of Gravimetric Torpedos at SF which shreds it to pieces.
5. SF fleet continues attacking BC. DS launches fleet, including Vader. BC fires EMP around the ship and destroys 3/4 of the SF fleet.
6. DS fleet sees the remaining SF fleet as weaker so attacks them. BC moves in closer to DS.
7. SF fleet is destroyed. DS fleet begins attacking BC but once again, they adapt and weapons do nothing. BC fires another EMP destroying all but Darth Vader and a few other TIE fighters.
8. BC fires a couple torpedos down to Endor where the shield generator is, destroying it. Vader decides the battle is hopeless and flies away.
9. BC transports hundreds of Borg Drones into DS and begin assimilating all stormtroopers, imperial officers and everyone else inside. Only a couple Drones are killed before they adapt to the laser fire.
10. Nothing can stop the Borg as they assimilate the Death Star and everyone, including the Emperor, who is ganged up on by 50 or more Borg. The Borg win. End scenario.

This message was edited by shinobi_razor on Sep 17 2006.
are you sure it would take the death star so long to charge up, they wouldnt have time to get to the moon
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Sep 18, 06 at 7:11pm
re: Death Star V.S. Star Forge.

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I'd not be surprised if the Star Forge had an uber powerful weapon. I might, the fleets of ships that it could send in a moment could probably beat down the Death Star to nothing, but I bet it has a few weapons of it's own that lash back nicely.

I wonder what would happen if it ever turned that energy beam on the Deathstar.
Yes, Because the death star is unprotected at ALL times


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re: Death Star V.S. Star Forge.

it seems like from the movie(s) that it takes like almost 5 minutes to charge it up, i mean, it is a FRIKKIN huge laser after all. i mean it is meant to destroy planets.

and the only reason a Borg Cube's shields could withstand a blast from it is because their shields are hundreds of times stronger than even the Death Star's shields are. thats easy to tell because it takes 8 to 10 Federation Starfleet ships all firing their phasers and Photon torpedos (both of which are tons more powerful than laser turrets) for almost 10 minutes to bring down the shields and destroy a Borg Cube. those ships are nearly indestructable.

also, i really doubt the Star Forge has a super weapon equivalent to the DS's laser because if it did, Malak probably would have used it against the Republic's capital ships in the final battle. or at least someone would have mentioned it in one of the cut-scenes.


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The Star Forge has a disrupter field witch would cause the Death Star crash into Rakata Prime (the UNKNOWN PLANET) before it got into range to fire. Also the ships crated by the Star Forge can pass through the field and destroy the Death Star the traditional way.

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[quote][originator=Riden]The Star Forge has a disrupter field witch would cause the Death Star crash into Rakata Prime (the UNKNOWN PLANET) before it got into range to fire. Also the ships crated by the Star Forge can pass through the field and destroy the Death Star the traditional way.[/q]

Doubt it. Remember in A New Hope ? The Death Star was pretty damn far away from Alderran was it blew that planet to hell.


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Sep 22, 06 at 9:28am
re: Death Star V.S. Star Forge.

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The Star Forge has a disrupter field witch would cause the Death Star crash into Rakata Prime (the UNKNOWN PLANET) before it got into range to fire. Also the ships crated by the Star Forge can pass through the field and destroy the Death Star the traditional way.
ummm. no. you totally have no clue what youre talking about...

the disrupter field thing ONLY affects ships, and only mid sized ships, not really large ones. the Death Star is basically an artificial satellite (moon), actually, thats EXACTLY what it is, and therefore it orbits a planet, or another moon in this case (Endor) which is larger than it. therefore the disrupter field has no effect on it.

and also, no ships, i dont care where theyre made, can pass right through energy shields and "destroy the Death Star the traditional way." dont you ever watch sci-fi shows?


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How can anyone compare stuff from star wars to stuff from Star Trek?



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if the death star was orbiting endor for its energy shield it would be completely out of range to attack the star forge. star forge builds huge fleets of ships as in thousands, go to endor and do what they did to taris and proceed on killing the death star.
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Sep 23, 06 at 1:38pm
re: Death Star V.S. Star Forge.

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How can anyone compare stuff from star wars to stuff from Star Trek?
i know, isnt startrek alot more unadvanced ( i dont really watch it, and shinobi_razor, give him a break, at least riden is trying
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Sep 27, 06 at 9:12am
re: Death Star V.S. Star Forge.

quote riden
if the death star was orbiting endor for its energy shield it would be completely out of range to attack the star forge. star forge builds huge fleets of ships as in thousands, go to endor and do what they did to taris and proceed on killing the death star.
well technically yes you would be right. but in this scenario, they are both in range of each other. maybe the Star Forge somehow moves to Endor's star to suck power or something. they never even existed at the same time anyway, so by that logic this whole entire thread doesnt make sence. but its just for fun, pretending like they are in the same time, and near each other.

and Star Trek mostly is much more advanced than Wars in all areas of ship design, weapons, shields etc. it does take place in the future, while Wars takes place "a long time ago."

that doesnt mean the Imperials couldnt survive against the Borg though. while their personal shields can protect against all energy weapons, they are hopeless against melee weapons, such as swords and blades. this is why, for instance, i hold to believe that a large group of Klingon warriors all with Bat'leths (swords) could defeat a group of Borg roughly the same size. the Borg's sheilds cant do anything against Bat'leths.

so if the Imperials happened to have some sort of swords (like vibroblades) laying around (which is not likely), they would have a much better chance against the Borg onslaught. i think the Emperor's personal guards use melee weapons so perhaps they could do some damage, however if i remember there are only 5 or 6 of them, so that doesnt help much.


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Actually star trek uses phasers and lasers witch are lower quality weapons. For instants in star wars Lasers where obsolete in 30,000 BBY (Before the Battle of Yavin) When the Rakata invented Blasters witch where more effective than lasers.

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what about the sun crusher? that would beat both of them.
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Phasers > Blasters

Photon torpedos >>>>> Blasters



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If it were the 1st Death Star the Star Forge could create a fleet of ships to attack the Death Star and dispatch it when one of the many ships got close enough to that exhaust vent. Star Forge wins.

The second Death Star could probably only be destroyed by taking out it's shield generator. If this Death Star was completed it would win, if not it still has a good chance in my opinion.


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yeah probably so. but it seems most ppl in the thread are thinking about the 2nd DS so i went with that one for my scenario. the 1st DS lacked a shield and so it would not have nearly as much a chance as the 2nd one, but it would still not be easy to destroy, but the SF fleet just may be able to overtake it.


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