Oh and one last opinion: no-one should feel bad for who they choose to vote. I find Hi Ka Ri goes for an intimidating/mental-bullying approach, derising any and all attempts at voting for him due to his superiority.

While the latter is rather true, due to its double-edged nature it is completely feasible to vote for him: so I dont think you should feel bad Hoo (in case you did, which I doubt).

BUT myself, I prefer to keep Hi Ka Ri in the game for as long as possible -apart it does worlds of good for my ego, trying to outsmart him (Death Note style!!), its good mental exercise, and IF he is on our side, it makes things mui easier. So its a win-win scenario woot!!

So er...what am I saying...well that its very reasonable to vote for him, but that I'd rather vote for someone else, especially on the first day phase, due to twisted personal reasons ;P

Of course it's reasonable to vote for me. Just as reasonable as it is to vote for anyone else. I just react colorfully when done so without a good reason. I tend to like reasons for stuff in this game, seeing as how decisions are supposed to be made, and this game is supposed to be won/lost from that pretty thing called logic.

However, I've given up the whole "play to win asap" thing, seeing as how that's doomed to fail from the start. Instead, I'll play for lulz and see how the cookie crumbles.

Oscuro likes to keep me around so that he has an L to go against his Kira. Since I'm town, he must be scum Kira. Although Death Note is told from Light's perspective, so that makes him the protagonist...but it doesn't make him the good guy...but he's not really a villain.

Therefore with the Death Note analogy, Oscuro is indy! =D

HAHA so true!! But for all you know, I'm N, and just trying to out-do my master!! I prefer that analogy -makes me town AND indy. I think...

I doubt if I must change vote or not.
This game is cruel I almost can smell the smoke of gunpowdero_O

Think of it more as...survival of the fittest -and luckiest

Besides, I can smell the blood, never mind the gunpowder

Lets put it this way: the first day-phase is very chaotic (as the thread title suggests). Now we can either drag this out for another 24 hours or so, or end it now and carrying on with the game.

Really though, its up to you: you could change your vote to Hi Ka Ri, making it a what, 3-5? Increasing Jackals chances of getting out of it. You can vote for Jackal, making it a six and getting him closer to majority vote and moving on. It really depends on what your gaming style is.

However if you dont want to stain your hands in too much blood, I suggest just leaving it be

Change Vote: WereJackel
Something is better than nothing,I think.

ok hikari didnt answer me. he either cant answer it or he missed it. in case he missed it, here it is again. this is what u said

quote HiKaRi

Town wouldn't want to eliminate one of the better players right off the bat without a good reason. After all, that'd be doing scum a favor.

so am i that noob? or ur reason is good enough? or maybe ure doing the reaper a favor?

same goes to oscuro actually. u said im not noob, which means u either agree that the reason that hikari used is a good reason or u are helping the reaper. which is it?

im not implying anything to u oscuro, but it seems to me ure protecting hikari. i remembered a couple rounds ago, i gave a weak reasoning to vote out wolvie in the first day, and u thought i was the reaper even when i wasnt. this time hikari used this ridiculous reasoning and u support him 100%. explain that plz

Oh dont get me wrong: in this reasoning, I dont support Hi Ka Ri. He's just counter-attacking your accusations, which is fair enough. I think town CAN have a good reason to lynch a good player, as I explained and shall re-iterate below.

I simply say that sadly, you are a victim of fate, randomness, or plain logic: you are a high level player -but not the highest- whose abilities are on par with my own, bar fluctuations on my and yours behalf (hey this is my own distorted view, so if you disagree fair enough, cant help having my own views )

Now when a majority vote starts piling on you, I am happy to pile with it: you are that good that, even if you could be town and help out, you could be scum and cause problems. HOWEVER, you are not that good as to be indispensable (Hi Ka Ri isnt either btw, no-one of us are tbh -well, except the GM dho), and hopefully I will be able to take up the slack from your departure since we are roughly on the same level, so I have no qualms in lynching you.

If you want to blame anyone though, you should really look at Kanon: he's the one who officially started the bandwagon on you. By the time I came in, you already had four votes against you: all I'm trying to do now is speed things up and get a majority lynch, so that we can move to the night phase.

Tbh, I would of much rather of lynched my original target, jesse, due to the relative low-impact that would of caused to the Players (no offense meant jesse, I mean in terms of your inexperience). But considering a bandwagon had started against you, the effort and scumminess factor I would of created for myself to try and derail it and make everyone vote for someone else...would of probably resulted in them either voting me, ignoring me, or hightening my scum indicator (of course, regardless of whether I be scum or not, since peeps seem to make up their minds on some weird factors) -which I dont want, since I want to be able to not only last longer, but help out the Players longer dammit!! Plus I feel an obligation after my previous epic fail, so I hope you understand why I dont want to go risking myself so soon.

Again sorry -think of it more in the terms of being a marthyr for the eradication of the Reapers, lol at least thats how I think it when I get lynched, makes me feel better

Plus if I must think of the most suspicious atm, its shadow warrior 9 -hes the only one who hasnt voted, right, especially when he was active already? I mean Kanon did the same thing, but he had the good sense to vote before too long passed.

So warrior 9, you might want to get your act in gear for your own sake...

And no, I havent lead a bandwagon against him for the reasons I have already explained in the above post (well, two above actually).

quote ReaperOscuro

Now when a majority vote starts piling on you, I am happy to pile with it

like i said before, last time when i followed the bandwagon on wolvie on the first day, u said it wasnt the right thing to do and u accused me to be the reaper when i wasnt even one at that round. what u are doing now is the opposite and u even justified it.

if im accused on an equal ground with hikari, then fine, sacrifice me instead of him. but i have something against him. since i kinda vaguely make that point, im going to just say it straight now

this is what he said himself:

quote HiKaRi

Town wouldn't want to eliminate one of the better players right off the bat without a good reason. After all, that'd be doing scum a favor.

i believe im not the noobiest player here, i dont even go inactive. i sign up and always actively play the game. his reason to lynch me is obviously a joke. which leave the only other reason to lynch me is hes helping the reaper.

quote ReaperOscuro

If you want to blame anyone though, you should really look at Kanon: he's the one who officially started the bandwagon on you. By the time I came in, you already had four votes against you: all I'm trying to do now is speed things up and get a majority lynch, so that we can move to the night phase.

so ure saying here, u just blindly follow anyone and vote for whoever had the most votes and kanon started it. it doesnt look like that to me. for me it looks like ure trying ur best to defend hikari. first by pressuring kefira to vote for me, then blaming kanon and after that u tried to shift ppl attention to shadow warrior. so what makes u so sure that hikari isnt one of the reaper?

I was not pressured by anyone,actually.I was just throwing a stone to clear the way.

Er...sorry.

quote Jackal

last time when i followed the bandwagon on wolvie on the first day, u said it wasnt the right thing to do and u accused me to be the reaper when i wasnt even one at that round. what u are doing now is the opposite and u even justified it.

then I take my hat off at you and apologise for the inconsistency. However, my playing style is bound to change and (hopefully) improve, and my new view is different from what I used to do before-hand.

With that cleared Jackal, please dont insult me (lol not in sense of you being rude, but in sense of wit) by nit-picking my posts and taking small sections of them out of the context in which they were! I understand and appreciate that you are fighting for your (mafia) life, but what is the point in getting pieces out of what I said and isolating them from the rest, as if that didnt matter? Throughout my posts, I have clearly explained the following:
1) My reasons to bandwagon you.
2) My reasons for not voting for Hi Ka Ri instead
3) My reasons for not derailing the bandwagon
4) Why I suggested to Kefira it would be a good idea to change the vote for you (which in the end she was contemplating anyway, I just offered some points she might not of seen)

Do I really need to repeat everything I have said? then so be it.

In regards to point one:

quote myself

Since it has been proven time and again that the best tactic is thinning down the numbers to find where the Reapers are, I disagree with Ame: I used to think no lynch would be a good idea for the first day phase, but nowadays I'd rather just reduce the numbers.

And lets face it, the first day target is always decided pretty much randomly -even if you dont use the RNG, the process is always pretty much random-, or by fate if you want to be fatalistic. Or by logic: and logic dictates that you either get rid of those that can cause problems due to their noobness (I say Wolverine has improved, and the newbies are untested yet), those which are repeatedly inactive (lol MG and Flamingo aint here ), or those which are the biggest threats, even if they may turn out to be mui helpful.

OR, you could go for someone who is a high level threat/help, but not highest: and since without being pompous, id say my abilities fluctuate with yours (and sorry, I aint voting for myself), then Im happy to go with fate's deciding hand (the hand being Kanon -which I find quite apt due to the chaotic and random implications), I am relatively happy to go along with lynching you.

re-iterated here:

quote me

I simply say that sadly, you are a victim of fate, randomness, or plain logic: you are a high level player -but not the highest- whose abilities are on par with my own, bar fluctuations on my and yours behalf (hey this is my own distorted view, so if you disagree fair enough, cant help having my own views )

Now when a majority vote starts piling on you, I am happy to pile with it: you are that good that, even if you could be town and help out, you could be scum and cause problems. HOWEVER, you are not that good as to be indispensable (Hi Ka Ri isnt either btw, no-one of us are tbh -well, except the GM dho), and hopefully I will be able to take up the slack from your departure since we are roughly on the same level, so I have no qualms in lynching you.

In regards to the second point:

quote and I

Oh and one last opinion: no-one should feel bad for who they choose to vote. I find Hi Ka Ri goes for an intimidating/mental-bullying approach, derising any and all attempts at voting for him due to his superiority.

While the latter is rather true, due to its double-edged nature it is completely feasible to vote for him: so I dont think you should feel bad Hoo (in case you did, which I doubt).

BUT myself, I prefer to keep Hi Ka Ri in the game for as long as possible -apart it does worlds of good for my ego, trying to outsmart him (Death Note style!!), its good mental exercise, and IF he is on our side, it makes things mui easier. So its a win-win scenario woot!!

So er...what am I saying...well that its very reasonable to vote for him, but that I'd rather vote for someone else, especially on the first day phase, due to twisted personal reasons ;P

Hi Ka Ri himself, however, puts it perfectly:

quote the aforementioned

Oscuro likes to keep me around so that he has an L to go against his Kira.

In regards to point three

quote and some other guy who came along with me

Tbh, I would of much rather of lynched my original target, jesse, due to the relative low-impact that would of caused to the Players (no offense meant jesse, I mean in terms of your inexperience). But considering a bandwagon had started against you, the effort and scumminess factor I would of created for myself to try and derail it and make everyone vote for someone else...would of probably resulted in them either voting me, ignoring me, or hightening my scum indicator (of course, regardless of whether I be scum or not, since peeps seem to make up their minds on some weird factors) -which I dont want, since I want to be able to not only last longer, but help out the Players longer dammit!! Plus I feel an obligation after my previous epic fail, so I hope you understand why I dont want to go risking myself so soon.

In regards to the fourth point

quote who may or may not be myself

Lets put it this way: the first day-phase is very chaotic (as the thread title suggests). Now we can either drag this out for another 24 hours or so, or end it now and carrying on with the game.

Really though, its up to you: you could change your vote to Hi Ka Ri, making it a what, 3-5? Increasing Jackals chances of getting out of it. You can vote for Jackal, making it a six and getting him closer to majority vote and moving on. It really depends on what your gaming style is.

However if you dont want to stain your hands in too much blood, I suggest just leaving it be

Now: you can carry on by perhaps saying that you dont understand some of the points, or that something is still unclear -although I dont see how in both instances, because we have already determined you are not a noob. you can carry on trying to stall for time some other way. I would be doing exactly the same: I would be fighting till the last moment. However I believe that there isnt much else (if there is anything else at all) which I can add to what I have already said: if you cannot accept all of the above, then I will never change your opinion, and that is that.

P.S. lol nearly forgot, one final point:

quote Jackal

first by pressuring kefira to vote for me, then blaming kanon and after that u tried to shift ppl attention to shadow warrior. so what makes u so sure that hikari isnt one of the reaper?

ooohhh...that would be devious indeed!! BUT thankfully, that be not what I am doing: I am just being bloody honest of my intentions lol!! As far as I know, the best way for myself (without revealing all that I am to the Reapers) to show that I am a Player, is to be absolutely crystal clear about what I am doing and what my thoughts are.
Hence I tell Kefira why voting for you would be a good idea -but ultimately suggest that if she is undecided, to just leave it. I then point out that shadow warrior 9 is currently more suspicious to me than yourself -but you took that as me shifting it from Hi Ka Ri. Atm you are the main bandwagon target, the former has only two votes on him, so I wouldnt be talking about him in that content. And finally, who said I am sure that Hi Ka Ri is not scum?? I do not recall ever mentioning that -sure, in a kinda twisted way I hope he is scum, but there is no certainty for such, as there is no certainty that he isnt.

The point I am making is simple: unfortunately you are the bandwagon target, your skill level is roughly the same as mine, I am happy to lynch you to create less hiding places for the Reapers and eliminate a potential scum threat. Hi Ka Ri may very well still be scum: for all I know, you and him orchestrated a complex dialogue to make people believe Hi Ka Ri ISNT scum. For all I know, Hi Ka Ri IS scum, and is just getting rid of you as a potential threat.

That will be something we will all have to deal with: I'm sure we will catalogue these happenings, and measure them against him, and decide further in time if he is to be lynched/killed (lol plz Phoenyx, tell me we at least have a kill ability...): for now, the votes are not good to you, so I say we majority vote you and get on with it.

I remember a time when I actually had to read these long-winded analogies. And if ReaperOscuro is Kira, and HiKaRi is L, this either makes me Ryuk or God... Actually God would make sense since Oscuro wanted my position.

But don't listen to the GM. Here's updated vote tally:
WereJackal - HiKaRi, Kanon, Clannad, jessemaher00, ReaperOscuro, kefira
jessemaher00 - GlancingReverse
HiKaRi - Hoo, WereJackal
No Lynch - Amethyst

With 13 people, it takes 7 to get a majority lynch.

Sorry Jackal but I just want to move on to the next phase. The pace has been slow thus far and it needs a kick in the A$$ to get moving.

I have a bad feeling but you're dead regardless.

Vote: WereJackal