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WiseLugia
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Nov 18, 07 at 8:59pm
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Honestly, neither of them is very good, even at their megas. =(

I finally got frustrated enough with Dianamon that I DNAd her into Queenchessmon's path. I'd assume I'd do the same with Apollo as well.


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Nov 20, 07 at 10:48pm
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

I have Dusk and I still think Coronamon looks way better than Lunamon and the rest of the evolutions. Yeah Elliot is right they are not up to Top Tier imo especially Dianamon it kept on dying and missing so I farmed it.


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Nov 20, 07 at 11:32pm
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Alright, next debate guys!

ShineGreymon Vs. MirageGaogamon




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Nov 20, 07 at 11:41pm
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Digimon No.: 375
Digimon Name: MirageGaogamon
Type: Balance

Species: Beast
Elemental Alignment: Earth
Elemental Weakness: Fire

Dwelling: Not Available

Traits:
- Heroic Move
- Sniper 4
- Evasion 4
- Economizer

Learnt Techniques:
- Gale Claw (Redux)
- Double Crescent
- High Mega Blaster
- King's Claw

Signature Technique:
- Gale Claw (Earth Element)
MP 193, Effect 104, (xx0xx) Selectable
Attacks Thrice

Digimon No.: 374
Digimon Name: ShineGreymon
Type: Balance

Species: Dragon
Elemental Alignment: Fire
Elemental Weakness: Earth

Dwelling: Not Available

Traits:
- Heroic Power
- Angel's Glory
- Flame Aura
- EX Damage 4

Learnt Techniques:
- Gale Claw (Redux)
- Burst Counter
- Shining Ray
- Shine Slash

Signature Technique:
- Glorious Burst (Fire Element)
MP 180, Effect 145, (x0000) Selectable


It's a tough decision, but Shinegreymon simply has more firepower, which is often more reliable than extra crit and evasion. Plus that resistance to two common attack types.


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Nov 20, 07 at 11:48pm
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Based on looks: MirageGaogamon.

Cape AND armor. That's instant win XD.


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Nov 21, 07 at 12:12am
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

I say MirageGaogamon because of looks, moves, and the traits I mean Heroic Move + Gale Claw that'll wipe out ShineGreymon even though it's one of my favorites.


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Nov 21, 07 at 4:27am
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Haven't you learned from pokemon that when comparing two things, you don't consider how they do against each other? .-.



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Nov 21, 07 at 4:39am
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Ehhh yeah, but with that speed and since they are basically alike there's really nothing to compare to but against each other.



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Nov 21, 07 at 4:44am
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Right...

Anyway, what it comes down to is +speed, +crit, +efficiency vs. +power, +light res, +fire res. The extra speed is a good thing, as is the efficiency, but MirageGaogamon would have to crit every time simply to match the punch that Shinegreymon has. Shinegreymon lasts longer too.

Think Hippowdown compared to Skarmory. .-.


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Nov 21, 07 at 5:22am
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Then we could also put it like this ShineGreymon has to have another Digimon that lowers speed to compare with MirageGaogamon and they both last the same amount being there is no Trait for Defence.


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Nov 22, 07 at 11:25pm
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

I like both,but MirageGaogamon,Mainly cause of the look's,and because it's my favorite.




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Nov 22, 07 at 11:30pm
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Don't forget because of its speed it can get the jump off on most Digimon.



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Nov 24, 07 at 4:01am
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

MirageGaogamon is simply a worthless digimon without proper dna digivolving.

He only learns 2 or maybe 3 skills that actually do over 120 effect.

Shinegreymon on the other hand has a real crappy skill set if you don't dna him either.

Both of these were meant to go to higher levels.
But when you've raised them both to 999 in all stats it doesn't really make a difference who has more hp or atk or def, it's how many times you can hit in a row.


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Nov 24, 07 at 7:11am
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

When it goes for looks we all will admit the Mirage looks a lot better. When it comes to fighting Shine might be a tad better but my vote goes to Mirage because of two things
1. I use his Blast Mode
2. Once you get techniques from either of the DNA styles I believe that Mirage would win. Flash Punch from BAN Leomon + equipment that rasies speed would ensure the win most likely.


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Nov 24, 07 at 7:46am
re: Dawn/Dusk Debate of the Week

Hmm.

I will not compare moves due to all moves being available.

Just traits and signatures.


Heroic Move > Heroic Power

+30 speed is soo much more important than + 30 attack power.

MGaogamon : SNGreymon
1 : 0



MGaogamon has Sniper 4. SN Greymon has no trait that boosts accuracy. Accuracy is needed to hit evasion Digimon like Calumon. MGaogamon also has Evasion 4, which means he will dodge hits more frequently than others.

In response, SN Greymon has 2 Resistance traits. IMO, they will not benefit him much. I rather have 2k damage miss me than soak 1k damage lowered due to these 2 traits.

Finally, the final trait Ex Damage 4 Vrs Economizer. SN Greymon wins here as it is a more useful one than MGaogamon's Economizer.

Signature wise, MGaogamon has a 3 hit, earth attack, easily beating SN Greymon's Glorious Burst.

Final Score:

4 : 1

MGaogamon wins.
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