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quote BrokenFury
Also, what does the type affect the digimon.
What kind if "type" exactly are you talking about? The digimon's type? Alignment?


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He refers to the "Attacker, Balance" that type. Attacker gives a bonus to attacks.
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Hmm ok Laxaria, sorry.
I had never looked much at the dark digimon,
I thought Ghoulmon B sux. Time to move to the dark side...
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lol why would you think that? I don't even see what could possibly suck about him.

Unless you ignore the fact that the only time any Deathmon has been seen in anime/manga is the one Zeromaru fought when he evolved to AeroVeedramon Zero.

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quote BrokenFury
Hmm ok Laxaria, sorry.
I had never looked much at the dark digimon,
I thought Ghoulmon B sux. Time to move to the dark side...
Some suck, some don't. It was just lack of research. Don't beat yourself up about it. Just read, thats all it takes to make a good digimon.


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I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yes, Eye Blow is a great attack and instant death is always handy in a difficult situation, IF it works. Considering that a large number of top-tier Digimon have Status Barrier and that it doesn't have a particularly high chance of working anyway, and if the opponent positions their Digimon correctly, you'll lose half of the effectiveness, it's too easy to counter. As for traits, Heroic Power doesn't mean much at maximum stats and Dark Veil is limited in its usefulness. The other two traits are great for multiplayer, but that said, ZeedMillenniummon has both, plus Status Barrier. The other version has similar problems - half of its traits are limited in effectiveness while the other half are good. Its version of Eye Blow isn't as effective, either, it seems.

I don't think they're bad, I just think they aren't as good as some other Digimon.


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Jan 08, 08 at 6:15pm
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quote Galacticdramon
I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yes, Eye Blow is a great attack and instant death is always handy in a difficult situation, IF it works. Considering that a large number of top-tier Digimon have Status Barrier and that it doesn't have a particularly high chance of working anyway, and if the opponent positions their Digimon correctly, you'll lose half of the effectiveness, it's too easy to counter. As for traits, Heroic Power doesn't mean much at maximum stats and Dark Veil is limited in its usefulness. The other two traits are great for multiplayer, but that said, ZeedMillenniummon has both, plus Status Barrier. The other version has similar problems - half of its traits are limited in effectiveness while the other half are good. Its version of Eye Blow isn't as effective, either, it seems.

I don't think they're bad, I just think they aren't as good as some other Digimon.
Counter, his Eye blow technique os rather troublesome considering some tournament rules not allowing for three status barrier's across the field. Also Dark Veil could have been an all resist but its more resistance all still.

Continueing on this, you can't really predict whether or not a person will use Ghoulmon or how they use it.

On a further note, most of the Top Tier digimon here don't deserve to be those of Top Tier. This digimon isn't bad, nor did anyone say it was that of Top Tier material.


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Have you ever seen Death actually work against a strong Digimon? Because I've currently got a Ghoulmon and I've never seen it. Maybe I haven't used it enough, but I haven't seen it. Even without Status Barrier, there's always Death Ward/Proof, and it works, in my experience, so rarely that you'd need extremely bad luck for it to take out more than one Digimon in the same round, especially if you position them correctly. And Dark Veil, unless someone's playing a maximum-range Dark attack, you're not going to have to worry too much about Dark attacks anyway, considering that most players would just Omega Blade it or use another Holy technique.

The second paragraph, the same really could be said for anything. I wouldn't think it would be necessarily popular in multiplayer games, but then again, the element of surprise only works well if there's something more than the initial surprise of seeing it in the battle.

No, I've never seen it directly called "top tier", but it seems to get more attention than most. I don't really disagree with any of the current top tier Digimon.


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Jan 08, 08 at 6:52pm
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quote Galacticdramon
Have you ever seen Death actually work against a strong Digimon? Because I've currently got a Ghoulmon and I've never seen it. Even without Status Barrier, there's always Death Ward/Death Proof, and it works so rarely that you'd need extremely bad luck for it to take out more than one Digimon in the same round, especially if you position them correctly. And Dark Veil, unless someone's playing a maximum-range Dark attack, you're not going to have to worry too much about Dark attacks anyway, considering that most players would just Omega Blade it or use another Holy technique.

The second paragraph, the same really could be said for anything. I wouldn't think it would be necessarily popular in multiplayer games, but then again, the element of surprise only works well if there's something more than the initial surprise of seeing it in the battle.

No, I've never seen it directly called "top tier", but it seems to get more attention than most. I don't really disagree with any of the current top tier Digimon.
I have seen the death affect work, only once due to me only playing that certain digimon once played against myself. Not to mention that his Eye Blow does considerbly good damage. Also if you play a max resist team, this could really help seeing as the most damage you could do would be only 1500-2000 which can be easily Absolute Healed off.

Omega Blade is only good for a one time use considering you can't lower the resistance of a digimon more than once. It lacks power to be called a "Good Move".

Also, even if the opponents have a death proof trait, there is still power behind the Eye Blow that compensates for its lack of effectiveness in Death.

I'd have second thoughts before using most of the Top Tiers. Notice the "Most".

Top Tier meaning Traits on a digimon that "works well" with the other. Like Assasin's Sense and God's Eye/ God's Eye and Gladiator.

Whats power if you can't hit, not to mention Critical's do more than the added meager damage that Gladiator adds.

Apollomon would only be good use against Holy or Fire Type Digimon.

ShineGreymonBM's only good side is his three hit sig(Thats misses 50% of the time) that doesn't matter because it's healed off the next turn.

This is why I said Most of them aren't that great as people make them seem.


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I'm saying Omega Blade because Ghoulmon is weak to it. It could be any Holy technique. ShineGreymon BM isn't in the top tier list yet (surprisingly, he hasn't been put on any tier so far).

Eye Blow's only problem is its range unless your opponent is lining up their Digimon with one free space between them. Eye Blow would be best if you've got a Digimon who has an attack which hits two Digimon next to each other. Avoiding Eye Blow requires an opponent to put two Digimon next to each other, so the opponent has to choose between Eye Blow and whatever else you've got.


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Jan 08, 08 at 8:33pm
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quote Galacticdramon
I'm saying Omega Blade because Ghoulmon is weak to it. It could be any Holy technique. ShineGreymon BM isn't in the top tier list yet (surprisingly, he hasn't been put on any tier so far).

Eye Blow's only problem is its range unless your opponent is lining up their Digimon with one free space between them. Eye Blow would be best if you've got a Digimon who has an attack which hits two Digimon next to each other. Avoiding Eye Blow requires an opponent to put two Digimon next to each other, so the opponent has to choose between Eye Blow and whatever else you've got.
I'm guessing since you missed what I said earlier, I'll quote it again.



quote Kenshuma
Also if you play a max resist team, this could really help seeing as the most damage you could do would be only 1500-2000 which can be easily Absolute Healed off.
Yeah the range on it blows, but then again, some setups could be wreacked by this team, or forcing them to make that type of position would aloow for you to use Gigaton Hydro or Burst Flame next.

No digimon is horrible if used on a team that compensates its weaknesses.


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No, I did not miss that. If the opponent had the right formation - there are two possible three-Digimon formations which would make it this way - it would be impossible for Eye Blow to land on more than one Digimon per attack. I complimented Eye Blow in how it could work in such a situation.


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Under the rules I'm used to playing under, All Element and Status Barrier are limited in usage. If it wasn't a rule, I'd probably be using ZeedMilleniumon too, just because he has Status Barrier along with God's Eye and Assassin Sense. With the limitations, Deathmon Black because my preferred substitute.

Honestly...the only Holy attack it would have to worry about seeing is Royal Slash, and at max elemental resist, Royal Slash does a lot of damage only because it's a powerful attack, not because of typing. Ken's Chaosmon takes about the same damage my Deathmon does from Royal Slash.

With Eye Blow, I only use it if the spacing is correct. Most of the time, I'll use Royal Slash anyway. The death effect is just a bonus that has a really small chance of happening. I've seen it happen often enough to know it exists, and of course it doesn't work on Digimon with Status Barrier or Death Barrier...but everything with Death Barrier sucks anyway so I'm not worried about not being able to hit my 10% against them...or most things anyway. It's just the fact that it means that I don't have to waste a learnable move slot on a move to hit 2 Digimon in 0o0o0 formation that makes the sig useful. So with Burst Flame, my deathmon can hit 0oo00 and with Eye Blow, it can hit 0o0o0, getting maximum effectiveness no matter what their layout is.

If you have to rely on the Death effect to get yourself out of a difficult situation, you've already lost anyway.

Heroic Power and Veil of Darkness are junk traits to me for the most part, but filler's better than nothing.

While you're talking about it, I have plenty of issues with the tier list. Apollomon sucks, Chaosmon and Darkdramon aren't top tier, Imperialdramon Fighter Mode sucks, Lilithmon and SaberLeomon aren't top tier.
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everyone's sooo relentless with their explanations lol.



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The tier list, to my knowledge, doesn't acknowledge any rule sets. And yet, no-one seems able to etermine which tier they should be on. We seem to be going in circles here

Regarding Chaosmon, I can sort of agree, perhaps he should be Upper Tier. I've got him, and he doesn't seem all that special. Then again, I haven't got many good Techniques for him yet. If there are many more Top Tier Digi8mon much better than him, anyway. Darkdramon, I'd say Upper Tier. Lilithmon, Upper at least, perhaps qualifies for Top Tier. SaberLeomon, I'd say Upper or Top. The problem is, even if one Digimon isn't as good as another of is Tier, it might still be able to be in the Tier.


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