Ok, before I set the record straight, I just want people to realize that others like this guy just feel the need to lash out due to other factors in their environment. So with that being said please understand that my motives in saying what I say are to give an enlightened viewpoint on recreational gaming on a whole, not to flame back as a means of getting my kicks…

quote zhaoyun770

No-one gets it do they? They have taken those glitches out so they cannot be exploited anymore, making the game fair for everyone. So to people who desperately attempt to find a way just need to realise that they can't play the game with skill, so cheating is their only option.. The idea of this game isn't to have the most money, but to earn rewards, and money by playing fairly... Short on cash? Go into a couple of dungeons, and pick up the loot. Sell it, and you'll get some decent cash..

Zhao, you are the one who actually isn't seeing the big picture. You are seeing a part of it correctly, sure. One way to really enjoy a game is to play it exactly the way it is obviously meant to be played. The benefits to that are the satisfaction of knowing you have bested the challenge set forth by the programmers, and the enjoyment of undergoing that challenge. On the other hand (as some of you out there will agree) a gamer can play a game using all/any factors available in the actual game. The benefit to this second method is the ability to push the limits of the game for the sheer thrill and enjoyment of the game play that results. Whether for eye candy, or the satisfaction of achieving a superior final product compared to the first method, you at least have to admit these are different kinds of challenges to undergo and thus receive their own satisfaction, even if in a different sense.

My suggestion to everyone out there is that a game is meant for fun, and there is more than just one way to achieve that goal.

quote zhaoyun770

First of all, when I say "fair for everyone", I meant it makes it impossible for duping idiots to come onto these forums, and brag about being rich, awesomely equipped, or any other form of ill earned acheivement. Frankly, you can get to level 50+ within a couple of hours by simply buying training from each level, which leaves very little actual skill earning to be done.

People should be allowed to talk about all different types of fun within a game, as long as the differences are not detrimental to others. Enjoying a one-player game in a different way than others is not going to hurt someone. And by the way, a level 50 character is capable of having much better abilities with witch to experience the game itself. The sheer increase of the player's stats opens up new doors for someone in the game and thus new experiences. Those experiences can be satisfying in their own way. Once again you are really just flaming here with this comment.

quote zhaoyun770

people will then come onto Neo, and brag about being better than everyone else... Does it make sense now?

This is why you are really objecting, and it makes sense. You can't compare one person's skill at the game compared to another's when they are both operating within different limitations. It's not like the person who sticks to what the game is supposed to be is physically unable to use the glitches available. In most cases they can push the same buttons to do the same thing. Those who use the extras available to bash the ones who simply choose not to use them are really just lashing out in their own way because of other factors in their lives. Keep in mind I don't think that's any better than bashing those who choose to use glitches.

quote rhasiirthearcher

Zhao, don't let the 'tards get to you. Hes just mad because you've checked him in every part of the argument. And Whoosh, if you weren't such a moron, then you would see that actually earning everything in the game is what makes it fun, not being able to have everything in 2 hours. If thats your idea of fun, then go shove a shotgun and/or handgrenade up your ass, I mean its probably big enuf.

This is another guy who isn't getting the big picture and really is just flaming to flame. You say Zhao checked every part of the argument? He was only right about it in the sense it's fun to enjoy a game within the limits with which it's meant to conform. Once again you are not seeing the big picture and are demonstrating your lack of critical thought before piping in. Your only response to other methods of fun is to go shove something. Should I take anything you just said as intelligent? Garbage to the eyes if you ask me. Check.

quote BluePhoenix1990

yeah whats the point in being able to buy everything at the start
and zhao- ashley is cool prefer melina myself like

I'm quoting BluePhoenix as an example of some sense. At least he is asking what's going on with this and looking for a response in order to see if the other view makes any sense. Try interacting and learning instead of flaming and looking ignorant. Kudos Blue Phoenix.


Just for the record, I enjoy different methods of playing for different games. My end goal is enjoyment of the game, not bashing others immaturely. Some games I play with no cheats/glitches and enjoy them as they are meant to be played. I play other games with a mixture of cheats/glitches and normal game play in order to enjoy the thrills available. I think both methods are fun in their own ways.

I just wish I would have had a heads up before having my game changed so dramatically. I will definitely check out the new duping methods though, thanks a million for the new duping ideas!!


This message was edited by Coognut on Apr 07 2007.

quote Ninja_Bear

oh how i love adding fuel to a fire...
There is a dupe cheat that still works but i do not know if it works in Shivering isles because i left and tried it in oblivion and have not et gone back to SI to try it.

First you have to have more than one of any kind of scroll we'll say flare as an example.

So you have AT LEAST 2 flare scrolls and you unequip your weapon so you are using your fists. Punch the air and BEFORE the punch is done quickly press "B" to go into inventory.

go to the screen that shows your items and press "A" on the flare scrolls ONLY ONCE.

Then, go to the item you want to duplicate (we'll use a health potion as an example) and drop it.

Finally go out of your inventory and pickup your two health potions!

You can do this with scrolls, potions, ingrediants, stuff like that. It doesn't work on stolen goods, weapons (that i know of) or armor. I'm sure there's more that it can work on and not work on but i haven't tried everything. Enjoy!

The new duping method works! yay!

i havent read all of the thread, but is it really that bad, i mean i dont use the glitch to make loads of money or anything. i've finished the main quest and most of the other quests. i like to dupe interesting items, and get my accrobatics skills higher up so i can climb bigger things ect. i want to be able to cast my stupidly powerfull nuke spell as well, so i would probabley use dupe some potions for that if i could. i dont think it really makes me a bad person.

has anybody tested this new dupe glitch, do we have a dupe glich that works now??

I know my post above is a lot to read, just remember the underlying theme:

Let's not bash eachother no matter which way we play. Using cheats or not, each method is challenging and fun in it's own seperate way. Both ways are right, don't try to compare one to the other as if they were the same thing.

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isn't the achievement so much better when gained in earnest?

I think your only problem is that you're approaching a single player game with this grandiose idea of right and wrong, good vs. evil. The fact is that in a single player game there is no such thing as cheating because you aren't competing against anyone. So there is no right or wrong, or fair or unfair way to play. Each player sets his or her own standards. Of course you can argue that the developers did not intend for us to duplicate items, but that still doesn't make duping cheating, in my opinion.

Anyway, I can play the game without duping, but if the developers can't figure out how to fix the glitch, I will continue to exploit it, no matter what form it takes. Does that make me a cheater? No. How can I cheat myself?

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do we have a dupe glich that works now??

Yes. We've already stated that fact like 4 times now.

The dupe glitch from Ninja_Bear I quoted above works, I tested it.

This isn't from any official source or anything, it's from my own personal thoughts, so don't take this as anything but hope and prayer, but what if making the game "Fair" (I use that term loosely) by removing the glitches, is the point of the most recent update? Perhaps it's a sign that Bethesda is thinking of adding multiplayer in a new land? MMOblivion anyone?

quote Coognut

1]This is another guy who isn't getting the big picture and really is just flaming to flame.

2] You say Zhao checked every part of the argument? He was only right about it in the sense it's fun to enjoy a game within the limits with which it's meant to conform.

3] Once again you are not seeing the big picture and are demonstrating your lack of critical thought before piping in. Your only response to other methods of fun is to go shove something.

4]Should I take anything you just said as intelligent? Garbage to the eyes if you ask me. Check.

1]Yea, I get the big picture, Ive shown myself as a big supporter of either method in the past. And yes, Ive also said that I flame for the love of flaming in the past. Its a hobby.

2]But that WAS the arguement, more or less.

3]Like I said, I support both sides. I know the joy of both sides, I just like makin people mad. Yea, shoving people is fun... especially when shove goes to punch.

4]No, no. You shouldn't take any of it as intelligent. Cause that would be stupid on your half. Ive never heard of "garbage to the eyes" but I think I get the point. "Check" lol, sure, if it makes you feel better.

quote zhaoyun770

I'm not being anything.. I'm just saying that discussing exploits will result in the thread closing.. Ask Excalibur, Darknet, or for that matter, a section mod, and they'll tell you.. By all means carry on, there's no mod here, so I can't stop you...Lol....

actually... I have to say *And keep in mind this is coming from me, the guy you all secretly think is an asshole* that you are being an asshole. You only brought up the fact of it being an exploit(which technically are allowed, because its not in the neoseeker rules, and this forum doesn't have any specific rules. Its not the Oblivion forum, after all)after everyone sided with woosh and ninja. Just thought I would point this out.

Ok so I don't know if it's been stated already or not, (I didn't really bother to read through) but here's a link to a thread specifically discussing the new dupe glitch.

Also you don't have to swing your sword or fists, or shoot your bow to do it. Just go to your inventory and follow the instructions.

if you cant find more than 2 scrolls, you can use the 2 scrolls to dupe others if you want. I use the dupe mainly to have not crappy arrows since it's hard to find the ones with +15 fire/ice on them.

[quote][originator=Kelgar The Dragon] but what if making the game "Fair" (I use that term loosely) by removing the glitches, is the point of the most recent update? [quote]


But then one could also say that there is still a glitch that works after the recent updates. So perhaps bethesda is ok with how everyone wants to play (wether it be with cheats and glitches or the "right" way) but they are not going to hand it to us on a silver platter (by deleting the glitches we knew worked and forcing us to find a new one they made it a bit more challenging for us "cheaters" too ). After all, what game would be fun if there were no challenege to it?

Exactly! That makes a lot of sense as well. Who doesn't like a challenge?

get two identical scrolls and one other unidentical scrolls. Click twice on the two scrolls then drop the other. It dupes it twice. You must have more scrolls then items you want to drop. Keep doing the scroll thing until you get like 100 then click twice on one of the scroll groups and drop an item, it will dupe 100 times. Works on the 360, i do it all the time