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SuperGuido Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Aug 2008	Sep 09, 08 at 8:54pm re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	quote Hobgob1in If GameGrep's own operators aren't looking at the source before rejecting a submission, why would visitors bother? I think that's what you're saying, right SuperGuido? That was pretty much my major beef. A 150 character description is fine but when I'm told it's not and that the quote needs to be bigger and the news item itself is only say 300 words...well that's just ridiculous. Especially when the quote area is 'optional.' If the person were to go look at the news post and see the actual content then they would understand why the quote was small or the description was slightly vague. But doing all this would take time and thought and well, it probably seems like a lot of work for just points or whatever people are being rewarded with for approving items. It almost seems to me like the people doing the approving, aren't at all interested in gaming at times. Because if they were, they would go and read most posts anyway.
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Avalith Avasythe: Dividing by Zero since 2008/0 (moderator) RPG/Adventure [DS] Wiki Staff Applications wiki staff chrono neowiki pokemon yugioh total posts: 19443 GameGrep pts: 3888 since: Jul 2003	Sep 10, 08 at 8:07am re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	If an approver tells you to add more specifically to the quote field in the future, please let me know who it is through PM as I'm very interested in this issue as one of GameGrep's moderators. As tekmosis and I have both said, the quote field is completely optional and should have little to no bearing on an article being approved. If anything, a small paragraph within the article would be more than enough. The focus really should be on the article description, not the quote. If there really isn't a whole lot that can be put in the description. Quoting a lot of an article is a purely outdated view of GameGrep, as articles that quote the entire source were accepted when the site was first launched; these days such large quotes should be cut down by an approver or the submitter before the article is published. ------------------- Registered Linux User No. 498029
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SuperGuido Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Aug 2008	Sep 10, 08 at 2:05pm re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	quote Deathsythe [quote=SuperGuido\|message:21901699]But if we don't post, what does your site have left to offer? Articles from arstech, gamesradar, ign, 1up, just to name a few, plus a highly interactive and dedicated community. (Not to belittle your website- but just to answer your question.) You took the 'we' to mean me in this case. But I meant all of the publishers. If "we" see no merit in the service then "we" would not post here...not to belittle your service but just to answer your question. ------------------- Christophor Rick Editor-in-Chief http://www.gamersdailynews.com
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Deathsythe All My Base Are Belong to Avalith. (moderator) Wiki Staff Applications wiki staff advancewars digimon fable guitarhero neowiki total posts: 6989 neopoints: 1182 GameGrep pts: 7833 since: Jul 2002	Sep 10, 08 at 3:49pm re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	Again- I wasn't belittling your website as I frequent it almost daily (partially thanks to GameGrep). I just wanted to point out that we have rarely had an issue such as this in the past (and even if- it was resolved quickly and efficiently), and any kind of rash action taken by either party would be counter-productive and not conducive to the spread of news, knowledge, and traffic - which is the ultimate goal of everyone involved. ------------------- _{Thanks Diamondflame for the Christmas Avatar.}
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SuperGuido Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Aug 2008	Sep 10, 08 at 4:04pm re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	quote Deathsythe Again- I wasn't belittling your website as I frequent it almost daily (partially thanks to GameGrep). I just wanted to point out that we have rarely had an issue such as this in the past (and even if- it was resolved quickly and efficiently), and any kind of rash action taken by either party would be counter-productive and not conducive to the spread of news, knowledge, and traffic - which is the ultimate goal of everyone involved. I was actually just having a little go at you But I wanted to make sure that you knew I wasn't using the royal "we" I was using the theoretical "we" as I seem to be one of the few publishers not afraid to speak publicly about it all and not hide who I am. I can't say that there are many others who feel the same way but from the comments in the thread there are a few that spoke up and there are probably more that haven't. That's all. ------------------- Christophor Rick Editor-in-Chief http://www.gamersdailynews.com
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tekmosis neostaff wiki staff neowiki total posts: 2655 GameGrep pts: 6444 since: Jul 2006	Sep 10, 08 at 5:31pm re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	As mentioned in the very first post of this thread "If you want me to wear 32 pieces of flair, make the rule 32 pieces of flair." I believe this is a good point that brings up the subject that, news submitters take what the approvers say as the "absolute rule" of the site and if they don't follow it their news wont be approved, where, in reality their article may be perfectly fine by the required guidelines. I'll look into getting some guidelines for users posted so that if an approver says "you need an image" the user can say that no, they do not and have a legitimate reasoning against the approver in question. -------------------
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Deathsythe All My Base Are Belong to Avalith. (moderator) Wiki Staff Applications wiki staff advancewars digimon fable guitarhero neowiki total posts: 6989 neopoints: 1182 GameGrep pts: 7833 since: Jul 2002	Sep 10, 08 at 6:55pm re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	SuperGuido has sent me several of his rejected/Requires Edit GG article messages, and provided a bit more light onto the issue. With a nod to tek, I encouraged him to continue to discuss things in open light to the public, and have reprinted my response to him here. It may be harder to follow considering I haven't posted the original messages that I was forwarded, but that is not my right to post and such I shall not disclose it. (If SuperGuido wishes to put them into the public's eye then so be it.) quote Deathsythe The issues with the quotes should be resolved and not happen anymore. Both Avalith - a Mod, and tekmosis - a site staff member, have pointed out that the quote field is not entirely necessary. The contest bit seemingly was a misunderstanding. As for this whole bit about article titles and descriptions there are a few finer points that not everyone might be familiar with (including moderators, approvers, and contributors) It has always been my understanding that the title should not just be a direct copy of the title striped from the website it was taken from - I have had several articles in the past kicked back to me for this reason. Now I am not sure how this will differ now that we have more traffic on GameGrep coming from site owners and not just regular Neoseeker/GameGrep members, but that is how the rules have been. Same goes for the bit about an orignial description. You are required to write a 150 minimum character description on the article - as far as I know that is the only stipulation about it, but again some approvers may be finicky about substance and would like the description to be a little more robust- and unfortunately that is left to their judgment, though I'm sure now that this issue has come to light there will be a more standardized method. I forsee in the future sometime a new feature being implemented essentially creating another type of GameGrep contributor - the Site Owner- which would enable for less stringent rules about naming conventions and enable that user to simply quote his or her article instead of requiring another "original description". I hope you don't mind- but I would like to keep this in an open general forum in public view- to keep everyone else involved in the discussion. I'll post this PM there after you read it. Also- the only point I was really getting at in my previous posts was that it is quite contuitive to all parties involved to utilize the GameGrep website/service. And that statement was more-or-less in response to the following statement. quote SuperGuido At this point we will continue to post news items here. But truly, if it continues in the previous fashion it is simply not worth our time to do so as the amount of traffic to us is less than 1000 hits a month which is a drop in the proverbial bucket. -Deathsythe ------------------- _{Thanks Diamondflame for the Christmas Avatar.}
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SuperGuido Neophyte total posts: 25 since: Aug 2008	Sep 10, 08 at 7:03pm re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	quote Deathsythe I hope you don't mind- but I would like to keep this in an open general forum in public view- to keep everyone else involved in the discussion. I'll post this PM there after you read it. No I've got no problem with this being a public discussion since it will benefit everyone more and allow those who wish to comment or step forward the ability to do so while still informing those who do not wish to participate but are interested in the outcome. ------------------- Christophor Rick Editor-in-Chief http://www.gamersdailynews.com
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Hobgob1in Neo-newbie total posts: 3 since: Jun 2008	Sep 11, 08 at 10:17am re: [Suggestion] Try reading the article before asking for edit
	quote tekmosis I'll look into getting some guidelines for users posted so that if an approver says "you need an image" the user can say that no, they do not and have a legitimate reasoning against the approver in question. I think this is a good idea - an option for the person who makes a submission to answer any rejections approvers might have. Possibly even extending as far as submitters being able to report approvers for inappropriate or unsuitable rejections. It might help with the rather elitist attitude some people seem to have when it comes to approving submissions, and will begin to build a more reciprocal attitude within the GameGrep community.
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